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Finland Plot has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 4, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
February 10, 2010	Good article reassessment	Listed

Current status: Good article

Phra Phrom Erawan shrine

Totally no offence, I don't understand why User:Patiwat tried to put the Phra Phrom Erawan shrine incident into every single articles of Thailand political crisis. I saw someone removed in other articles. It's not related in anyway, it's just metaphor.

Regards, --Manop - TH 05:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What does this have to do with the Finland Plot? Patiwat 08:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That exactly the question I asked ???--Manop - TH 16:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the top of the page: "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Finland Plot article." I have answered your question on your Discussion page. Patiwat 07:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ANSWER: Because it's that writer's strategy (who spend thousands of edits on Thaksin's article) to discredit all of Thaksin's political opponent by adding the Erawan shrine incident that was accused against him, in which it is the single most incident that sounds rediculous and nonsense (especially to foreigners that have no prior understanding of Thai cultures and believes) that the incident, in reverse, made Thaksin's image looks better. For more examples, look in Abhisit's talk page. I found and corrected some distorted facts (like the human right statement), but I don't know what (if any) more tricks are there). --Donny TH (talk) 01:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article length

This article is currently 19 KB in size. I don't see it expanding beyond the 25 KB ceiling where it might be a FAC. Patiwat 18:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA nom: on hold

This is a strong article, but I'm going to put it on hold for the moment -- the "Background" section needs some references. I'm sure editors can just steal them from the relevant articles. This article is a good example of a topic that's not big enough to become a FA, but is a good article nonetheless. Twinxor t 06:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestions. I have added references to back up each clause in the Background section. Patiwat 05:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The refs look pretty good. It would be nice if the school decentralization and Erwan links (the fourth and fifth ones) had a normal citation like the other references on the page -- as is they just show up like [1], which is not very helpful to a reader. I'm also a little confused about the comments in the page source, which are not seen by people who are just reading the article and not editing it. If you want to alert the reader to which link is for which item, maybe the citations could be placed within the sentence rather than after it. Twinxor t 08:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for your great suggestions. I changed the citation format for the two references you mentioned. I also removed the comments - the order of the footnotes and the information contained therein should be sufficient to guide a researcher as to which sources to use. Patiwat 21:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heading Change

Regarding the quote "The Nation noted that the actual existence of the Plot was not important - the mere invocation of the royalty would be enough..." I can't help thinking that the same is also true of this and several other related articles. To help reduce any possible mis-inferences I believe the sub-heading "The Finland Plot" should be changed to "The Alleged Plot". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.10.198.154 (talk) 05:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relevancy for Wikiproject Finland?

Is this article realy relevant for Finland? Finland or finnish doesn't seem to have much to do with subject, other than name and that it was planned or said to be planned here. --82.203.181.186 (talk) 04:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, changed to Low-importance. ☺ Spiby ☻ 09:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Finland Plot/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I will do the GA Reassessment on this article as part of the GA Sweeps project. H1nkles (talk) 19:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After having read the article I come away with a sense that while there are certainly strong points to the article there are some concerns that must be addressed if the article is to meet current GA Criteria.

I think the lead is fair, I think a sentence about the fact that one of the reasons that Thaksin was deposed in the military coup was ostensibly because he had insulted the king. That is a point brought up in the article but not mentioned in the lead, and it is a fairly significant outcome of the alleged plot.

My primary concern is about the quote. It appears to have a WP:POV angle to it that makes me uneasy. The lead in to the quote even indicates that "The Nation" was an anti-Thaksin newspaper, which automatically colors the quote with a bias. There would need to be a pro-Thaksin quote to balance this one. Rather it would be better if the quote was either significantly trimmed or removed. I welcome opinions and discussion on this issue.

There is a ^{[citation needed]} template at the end of the last paragraph in the Impact of allegations section. This needs to be addressed.

Regarding references and POV, while I don't sense that the article is unfairly weighted or violates POV policies, I do note that there are 9 separate articles from "The Nation" referenced. That's nearly half of the references and the article clearly states that it is an anti-Thaksin newspaper. This creates a credibility issue.

Ref 16 is a dead link, which is also the link to the quotation, this will need to be fixed.

Overall per the GA Criteria it is important to attempt to put an image on the article wherever possible. I think there are possibilities for an image here. I note that the article on Thaksin Shinawatra has a free-use image of the former prime minister that could be used in this article. It's part of the GA Criteria, which is why I bring it up in this review.

To summarize, I think the article has potential to remain at GA but work will need to be done. The key issues I see that are make or break with this article is the POV quote, the ^{[citation needed]} template, the dead link that references the quote, and a free-use image. The abundant use of an admittedly biased source is not enough in my opinion to disqualify from GA, but it is a concern nonetheless. I will place the article on hold for one week and notify all interested projects and editors in the hopes that work can be done to keep it at GA. Should there by any questions or comments please contact me on my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the lead is fair, I think a sentence about the fact that one of the reasons that Thaksin was deposed in the military coup was ostensibly because he had insulted the king.: Done.
My primary concern is about the quote.: Have pared down the quote to remove any hints of POV.
Ref 16 is a dead link: Have replaced with archive.org link (http://web.archive.org/web/20070312031248/http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/page.news.php?clid=11&id=30005048&usrsess=)
There is a [citation needed] template at the end of the last paragraph in the Impact of allegations section. This needs to be addressed.: ~~In progress.~~ Done.
Overall per the GA Criteria it is important to attempt to put an image on the article wherever possible.: ~~In progress.~~ Done. Patiwat (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your quick and accurate work. I will keep the article at GA. H1nkles (talk) 16:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Info to add?

I think it should include a court case and an investigation too? This article doesn't mention about the end of this story. --223.206.212.27 (talk) 04:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Repeated addition of Finland-related categories

Unless someone can demonstrate (WP:BURDEN) that the topic of the article has any relevance to Finnish politics/society/history in general or Finland in the year 1999 in particular, the categories are not backed up by article content and should not be included. 2001:999:251:5175:D82E:2E8B:FFF0:50B0 (talk) 17:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]