Talk:Fight Hornet Fight

This article was nominated for deletion on 28 September 2011 (UTC). The result of the discussion was merge to California State University, Sacramento.

This is not a no-notable school song. Nobody has the right or claim to decide if a university's fight song and/or alma mater is non-notable or not. Plus, this song is in the public domain through the State of California since the university is a public institution. HornetBandAlum (talk) 17:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In order to remain on Wikipedia, an article must meet certain notability criteria. My personal belief is that everything on Wikipedia is notable to someone, otherwise nobody would have taken the time to write an article on it. But Wikipedia is not about everything, and there are many subjects that just plain don't merit an article. In short, the notability criteria require that a topic be the subject of coverage in reliable, independent sources. Blogs, personal declarations, and websites connected with the university are not considered reliable, independent sources. I personally am not going to pursue deletion of this article, but I highly recommend that if you want this article to remain on Wikipedia, you provide evidence that such coverage exists. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:48, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you are going to do this for this page, you need it do it for ALL university fight song pages, including the one's at other schools. This is the school's fight song. It is what it is. I fail to see the difference between allowing one's school song to remain and have a page and another that doesn't. If you can explain that to me, regardless of the whole "blogs, personal dec's, etc.," then by all means. Biking4Life (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia not be "about everything", but it does claim to be an encyclopedia which is "a reference work that contains information on all branches of knowledge" (Please contact Encyclopedia Britannica if this definition is somehow in dispute), which is pretty damned close. Does this page need work? Yes, it's hardly filled out, but it's a start. But, to claim that a 60-year old fight song at a university with 30,000 students is somehow not notable simply because you haven't heard of it is absurd. We'd have to delete half of Wikipedia if that were the criteria. I personally don't think every character and episode of every Star Trek series and movie ever conceived is notable, but clearly some people do. I'm not gonna be a dick ask them to delete them even though "the notability criteria require that a topic be the subject of coverage in reliable, independent sources. And that, Blogs, personal declarations, and websites connected with [the show] are not considered reliable, independent sources." No television show can meet those standards. Besides, since when is a university not considered an independent and reliable source? Where do you think virtually all the information of virtually every university's page on Wikipedia comes from? Fight songs are notable, fight songs are encyclopedic, and they are of interest to college sports fans around the country. There are hundreds of independent pages created for fight songs, many of them over a hundred years old. They don't need to be deleted, just organized. Dsetay (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTLYRICS

The WP:NOTLYRICS policy is VERY clear about not including lyrics of songs,

Quotations from an out-of-copyright song should be kept to a reasonable length relative to the rest of the article, and used to facilitate discussion, or to illustrate the style; the full text can be put on Wikisource and linked to from the article.

so please do not reinsert. Mt king ^(edits) 20:32, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fine! What a stupid, arbitrary rule. Its a public domain song. Hence what colleges and universities are all about in the United States! Biking4Life (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think if you were to add the lyrics but explain what the lyrics mean or why they were chosen then that should meet the aforementioned qualifications. The lyrics would then be necessary and an essential part of the article. Since "reasonable length relative to the rest of the article" is completely a matter of opinion and my opinion is that this would suffice then according to Wikilogic this should be fine.Dsetay (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger complete

Y Merger complete. All information from this article has been merged into California State University, Sacramento. Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]