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Requested move 2 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved. See general agreement below for the title Field pea (Pisum), to move the disambiguation page to the base name, and to merge this article's content into the Pea article. The nom asked to be pinged to carry out the merge. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 11:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Field pea (disambiguation) → Field pea

– The term "field pea" is highly ambiguous; in much of the world it refers to a type of cowpea (Vigna unguiculata), and there are already a number of erroneous incoming links to this article. The cowpea called "field pea" dominates web searches[1] due to its greater number of culinary uses, while this topic, the Pisum sativum variant, dominates books searches[2] due to its prominence as a forage, silage, etc. crop. — AjaxSmack 21:03, 2 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Xain36 {talk} 14:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. While there's a clear consensus to move disambiguation page to Field pea, a broader consensus is required on the fate of current Field pea article. samee converse 22:03, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please suggest a possible title as neither is its own species. One option for a new title could be "dry field pea"[3] (Google), but even this could be ambiguous as dried cowpeas are termed[4] and marketed as[5] "dry field peas" at times.

Possible new name taken from the article itself: Austrian winter pea based on Google ngrams. Danielklein (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Plantdrew. Dekimasuよ! 16:50, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support moving disambiguation page to base title. Current title has incoming links for both kinds of "field pea". The content here could perhaps be merged into the pea article, although it would still need some new title to preserve edit history if the disambiguation page is moved. I'm not sure about about a new title for this article? Field pea (Pisum)? Something else? I don't think "dry field pea" or "Austrian winter pea" quite work. From what I'm seeing, these are distinct subtopics. "Dry field peas" are planted in spring and are grown for their dry, mature seeds used as human food (see this article. "Austrian winter peas" are planted in fall/winter and are used as a nitrogen-fixing cover crop or for livestock feed (see this article). There are further subtypes, some corresponding to alternative names given in the lead. "Dun pea" and marrowfat pea are subtypes of "dry field peas" see this article or this one). A merge with pea might be the best option absent separate articles on the seed crop and the cover crop. Plantdrew (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support merging with main pea article: I don't think this article makes much sense, and the lede confuses different cultivar groups (a kapucijner is a very large brown Dutch pea grown for canning, most similar to a marrowfat). Peas are generally split into three uses/types= 1.) those grown for the dry seeds (the "normal" peas as grown for the past 7000 years), called 'field peas', 2.) those grown for the pods (i.e. sugar snaps, snow peas) -originally from China/Myanmar but grown in Europe the last 400 years, 3.) garden peas, grown for the immature seeds the past 300 years. Note that the first group is still the most important in terms of acreage and total yield (FAO). These field peas are mostly grown in Canada as a spring crop, and exported mostly to India. You usually grow peas as a winter crop in parts of the southern USA and most of Africa, India, and Southern Europe, and you can do that not for production but as a cover crop. The list of types of peas in the lede includes peas which have absolutely nothing to do with this, such as 'dun peas' or 'kapucijners'. 'Austrian winter peas' are a group of small-seeded cultivars developed from an American heirloom variety, which are recommended for this purpose in parts of the USA. Leo 86.83.56.115 (talk) 15:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support the move from Field pea (disambiguation) to Field pea. --Yujeo (talk) 20:11, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea of merging Field pea→Pea per comments above. Shoulda thunka that myself as there isn't much text here, anyway. "Field pea (Pisum)" works for me as an interim title and to hold the edit history. Closer: If that ends up being consensus, ping me and I'll merge. — AjaxSmack 00:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Pea per the above. I would merge and redirect. bd2412 T 00:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Merge to Pea would be a fine outcome, however, that article doesn't discuss any other specific type of pea(other then listing some) and thus much of the information in this article would not be appropriate there. I would prefer a move to Field pea (Pisum sativum) or Field pea (Pisum), depending on which is more common differentiating by species or genus. Using the scientific name (Pisum sativum ssp arvense)would be quite unwieldy and not be the common name and thus would be opposed by me. Trialpears (talk) 10:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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