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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2019 and 5 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Mgregg21. Peer reviewers: AMRara, EliGamez.

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new title

This article needs to be moved. First, per Wikipedia:Article_titles#Article_title_format, women and colonial should not be capitalized. Second, I wonder if we can shorten "Colonial North America and the U.S.". Perhaps enslaved women in North America up to 1863? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:44, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, Piotrus. The title was formerly Female slavery, so I just moved it to Female slavery in the United States, which I thought was the most WP:CONCISE option. The article doesn't discuss non-US areas of North America. Yes, some of its coverage is of the colonial US, before there was a US proper, but you'll find that in United States too. It may be worthwhile to add another section about the modern situation, perhaps with a {{details}} out to Sexual slavery, where Female slavery and its variants now point (not the best redirects, but that's a question for another day). --BDD (talk) 00:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I've gone ahead and changed the title to "Enslaved Women in the United States". As you mentioned about non-US areas, I'll probably write a different article detailing enslaved women's lives in the US and other North America & Caribbean locations. Mgregg21 (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme makeover edition

This page is the subject of my wikipedia project assignment for a class I am taking, and I plan to make major revisions to it over the next couple of months. I plan to add an additional six sections to include general, factual information about aspects of society in colonial times and enslaved women’s role in it, as well as information about their daily lives and activities. The titles of these sections include Women's work, Childbearing, Slave sex ratios, Gender paradigms in the New World, Violence against enslaved women, and Enslaved women in resistance. The article is almost completely examples at this point, and I planning on creating a separate ‘Examples’ section where I will move much of the existing information as well as add and expand on two additional examples of women in slavery in different regions, specifically Brazil and Jamaica. I am also planning to expand the ‘Notable enslaved African American women’ section, and that I would appreciate input on any new ‘notable women’ I should add to the list!

With all of these revisions I also have an idea for renaming the article to 'Enslaved Women in the Colonial Americas.' I would appreciate any feedback on this idea or alternative suggestions!

Lggernon (talk) 06:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As you may have noticed, I did not ultimately select this page as the subject of my assignment. I wish all others well who take it upon themselves to improve this page!

Lggernon (talk) 04:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Should this article be peer-reviewed?

This article was vandalized more than a year ago, but this vandalism has not yet been corrected. Should we peer-review this article so that this vandalism can be prevented? Jarble (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's been more than a month since I posted this comment, and the vandalism still has not been corrected. Perhaps this issue should be discussed at WP:Requests for page protection. Jarble (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jarble. I have a few thoughts about this. First, I apologize for not noticing your message last month. Second, I would point out that this article is on the watchlists of fewer than 30 editors, which is why such vandalism can go unnoticed for so long.[1] Finally, I recommend against asking for any kind of protection at WP:RPP; you will almost certainly be told that the article has not experienced sufficient recent vandalism to justify protection.

If you're interested in getting the article pending changes protection or extended confirmed protection—measures I personally think are unnecessary, though you may disagree—I would recommend approaching an administrator on her or his talk page and making your argument there instead of making a formal request at WP:RPP. If you pursue this route, I recommend reading the relevant portions of the protection policy and arguing forcefully why this article needs the specific protection for which you're asking. (These protections are usually applied to BLPs and controversial articles, not historical articles such as this one, so you're going to be fighting an uphill battle.) If you're interested in pursuing this route, I'll try to help if you'd like. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

African-Americans were not enslaved

Why does Wikipedia refer to African-Americans as slaves generally? African-Americans were free Africans who had limited rights in America. Slaves weren't Americans.

Slaves were the property of Americans. Free Africans in America were citizens. Enslaved Africans were not. Remember the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. See the "Free Negro" page on Wikipedia (it has its problems as well). But, the Free Negroes are the only African-Americans that would be referenced in this page. Othelllo (talk) 23:53, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, Othelllo, I am not understanding your point here. This article is about females that were enslaved, and does not cover people who were freed.

In what way does Wikipedia refer to African-Americans as slaves generally? Is there somewhere in this article where African-Americans are referred to generally as slaves (i.e., being African-American before the Civil War = slave)?–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here: "African-American women and men encountered diverse experiences of enslavement." First paragraph. Then again here: "African and African American female slaves occupied a broad range of positions." Second paragraph under Virginia - Colonial. African American females were never slaves. Additionally, here: "Also in 1780 in Pennsylvania, the legislature enacted "a gradual emancipation law that directly connected the ideals of the Revolution with the rights of the African Americans to freedom." Again - African Americans were never slaves, whether male or female. African American describes a free person, although the rights of the free person may be limited because of slavery system and Racism codified in various law and regulation. Othelllo (talk) 20:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Modern American Patriarchy

If women stopped being property, why are American women devoting hours a day, and a lot of their money to matching an unrealistic fantasy in men's minds? Body hair removal. Shapewear. Cosmetic surgery. Makeup. High heeled shoes. Why do even other women reinforce the customs for men's sake? And, why is there a lack of female alphas who say no to those practices without repercussions? And, why are women but sex objects in American society, whom have no authority, no respect, and no freedom? Why are our nipples sexualized when they are solely evolved to breastfeed? (Claims of otherwise are sexist, pedophilic myths.) Alphas do what they want, and don't do what they don't want. An alpha female would not shave. An alpha female would keep her hair how SHE likes it. An alpha female would dress how SHE wants. An alpha female would LIKE her natural body instead of trying to change it against nature for the sake of unrealistic beauty standards from men. America still practices slavery. The women are enslaved.--184.101.218.207 (talk) 08:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements

Hello, I'm planning to either edit this article or make a new article that focuses on enslaved women resistance, specifically focusing on abortion/infanticide. I would like the new article to include other aspect on how women attempted to resist slavery by taking control back over the bodies, which I feel this article doesn't currently address. I think this article only has one sentence on infanticide, and I think the issue is deserving of more than one sentence. Check my user page for more info on planned revisions/new article and resources. Mgregg21 (talk) 05:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC) 05:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm moving forward with the creation of the new article; details regarding the new title can be found on my sandbox. Mgregg21 (talk) 23:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a rough draft of the article in my sandbox, with citations attached. Please feel free to look at sandbox and offer any feedback regarding my draft so far.Mgregg21 (talk) 04:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have finished my new article regarding enslaved women's resistance. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could look over it & add any existing information I may have left out. I would also like to tie these two articles, so I'm debating on adding another section to this article that would link to mine. My article is Enslaved women's resistance in the US & Caribbean. Thank you! Mgregg21 (talk) 17:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 19:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Female slavery in the United States → Enslaved women in the US – Article was moved to Enslaved women in the US but has since been reverted back to Female slavery in the US. The request is to maintain the title as Enslaved women in the US because it restores identity and context to the individuals who were enslaved. The terms enslaved shows that the individuals were forcibly reduced to the positions of enslavement; the linguistic nature of enslaved portrays individuals as people who were acted upon, not as objects. The term slavery and slave reduce individuals the commodity they were considered and removes their humanity and identity as people from the enslaved individuals. Mgregg21 (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move - that seems a distinctly dubious argument. The topic is generally referred to in sources as "female slavery in the US" (or slavery of women in the US), and I don't think making the grammatical voice of the title match the sociological context is such a persuasive argument as to override the vastly simpler use of WP:COMMONNAME. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article also discusses girls, not just adult women. Also, if it's moved it should be to "...United States", not "...US". Station1 (talk) 08:22, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per WP:COMMONNAME and consistency. We have Slavery in the United States, not Enslaved people in the United States. And also a whole category tree of articles about slavery. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely, no for several reasons (some mentioned above by others), starting with the "US" part being dead wrong. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.