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Portions of this article read like advertising or public relations copy. Golden herring (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the topic "largest piano" have a separate article? There are at least 3-4 piano makers that would fall into this category. ctm

Good point. The Boesendorfer Imperial is 290 cm by 168 cm, with 97 keys. The Fazioli is 308 cm by 156 cm, with 88 keys. So which one is "bigger"? Should we go by weight? Volume? Any suggestions on how to resolve this? 123jascha 21:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually don't see why Wikipedia should have a 'largest' piano title ... this seems more like a Guinness book of records topic; the 97 keys on the Boesendorfer are interesting -- I heard Oscar Peterson play a solo on just the bottom twelve (b&w color reversed) keys on his Imperial, and it just sounded like rumbling (but very jazzy and rhythmic rumbling) ... there is a reason for stopping at low A . I've only heard the Fazioli 308 samples on the GEM keyboard, and I have to say that the tone was not to my liking. It might be different in a concert hall (which is the only place you could put a 10 foot grand), but in the case of pianos, I don't think 'Bigger' necessarily means 'Better'

On the 'advertisement' orientation of this entry, I think there is perhaps some truth, but Fazioli truly is one of the great piano makers, and more importantly, a new and highly innovative maker (originally just a separate room in a furniture factory owned by the Fazioli's) ... certainly one of the most innovative (along with IMHO Kawai) in rethinking every component of a traditional (e.g., Steinway circa end of 19th century) grand piano. They generally get high marks for having the best and most advanced action of any piano (e.g., they use adjustable magnets instead of weights in the keys for a faster, lighter, more controllable touch). On the other hand, some don't like the tone as well as other pianos (this often divides along Asian, American and European lines, where Asians like the bright sound e.g., of Yamaha; Europeans like a strong fundamental, like heard with Fazioli, Bosendorfer, August Forster; and Americans like a rich complex sound like Steinway)

I've seen global rankings of Best pianos, and I think almost universally, Boesendorfer is number one, followed by Steingraeber, Fazioli, Bechstein, August Forster or Steinway in no particular order... the big frustration being that a Steinway requires a day or two of technician time to prepare it (then it sounds and plays well) whereas the other first tier pianos seem to work optimally straight from the factory. These rankings should probably be added to the statement from the Economist (which is not known for its stable of concert pianists)

Chris Westland 4 May 2007

Economist Quotation

The entry for Fazioli does not assert that the pianos are the best in the world; it merely reports the Economist's assertion that some pianists think they are, and goes on to specify exactly which. What about that do you think constitutes advertising? (I should add that I'm not especially wedded to the quotation, and don't really mind if it disappears altogether; but blithely asserting that it's 'advertising' without substantiation doesn't really seem legitimate grounds for removing something). Alexrexpvt (talk) 12:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As already mentioned in the Wikipedia history:

"Expressions such as 'best pianos in the world' have no place in an encyclopedic article, even if they are well sourced." and "Not a sentence in a section named 'Notable Fazioli artists'.".

Regarding your sentence "... and goes on to specify exactly which.": Who says that a pianist who has played Fazioli thinks that Fazioli is the best in the world...

By the way, the placement of the sentence "some artists believe that Fazioli now makes the best pianos in the world" is irrelevant. Fanoftheworld (talk) 12:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I'm not wedded to the quotation. It's easier to let you have your way rather than argue about it. Alexrexpvt (talk) 12:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Competitor hijack

I note ten of the sixteen references in the article are for Steinway, a competitor. Maybe the hijacking is subtle, but am I a little too suspicious? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.224.180 (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fazioli Panioforti Founded In 1981

Fazioli Panioforti's own official web site states that Fazioli Panioforti was founded in 1981 and the information in the information summary box of this article agrees. The why does the text of article stated that Fazioli Panioforti was founded in 1978? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.238.93 (talk) 06:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The 1978 date comes from an unsourced assertion in a 2008 article in the Bennington Banner, published more than two decades after either 1978 or 1981. What are you going to believe, the Bennington Banner or the manufacturer's Web site? I'm going with the latter and have modified the article to reflect this. Larry Koenigsberg (talk) 23:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]