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A fact from Farha (film) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the film Farha, which depicts the killing of a Palestinian family by Israeli soldiers during the Nakba, became the subject of a downvoting campaign?

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Jordanian film Farha depicts the killing of a Palestinian family by Israeli soldiers during the Nakba? Source: Forward
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piano Concerto (Reger)

Created by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... 18:32, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Coffeeandcrumbs: New article. Article is sourced and the hook is interesting. QPQ satisfied. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:34, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Coffeeandcrumbs and Nehme1499: Unfortunately, it seems the hook falls afoul of WP:DYKSG#C6, which requires that the hook be substantially connected to something outside the film's plot. Could another hook be found? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I don't interpret it as it requiring connection to something outside the film's plot. It says the hook must involve the real world in some way, which it does as it references the Nakba. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 09:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nehme1499: Well, the Nakba is the setting of the film – it's a period piece, after all. C6 isn't really designed for works of fiction that take place in real settings, but I would say that the rule generally aims to prevent hooks based solely on a work's creative vision – the idea being that when you point a camera at a scene, the sky's the limit, so not much ends up really being out of the ordinary. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: Has there ever been a discussion related to C6 and fictional works set in real life? In the meantime, we can wait for C&C to provide us with an ALT hook if possible. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 10:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How about this? It is a bit longer at 153 characters but still hooky.
ALT 1: ... that the film Farha, which depicts the killing of a Palestinian family by Israeli soldiers during the Nakba, became the subject of a downvoting campaign?

Sources: [1][2] which are also cited inline in the article. There is also another sentence in the article (cited to this source) which states that the scene depicting the killing is the reason for all the hoopla. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:08, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also approve ALT 1. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:13, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Coffeeandcrumbs and Nehme1499: I'm not quite sure about ALT1; neither of the cited sources seem to be willing to say that it's a coordinated campaign in their own voice. How about something like this: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Israel revoked government funding to a Tel Aviv theatre after it screened Farha?

ALT2a: ... that Israel revoked government funding to a Tel Aviv theatre after it screened Farha, a film about the Nakba?

@Theleekycauldron: There are 3 sources cited inline which verify ALT1 in their own voice:

"An online petition was started, demanding Netflix drop the film. Another called on people to downgrade Farha on IMDB."[3]
"Hundreds of spam accounts have left negative reviews of the film Farha on the movie rating site IMDb, in what appears to be an organised campaign."[4]
"In response to its screening on Netflix, there has been coordinated downvoting of its ratings online, as well as a social media campaign calling on people to cancel their Netflix subscriptions."[5]

In any case, ALT2 or ALT2a are not in the article. AFAIK, the article only mentions threats. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is confirmed. Promoting to Prep 1. Bruxton (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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change:

Farha (Arabic: فرحة, romanized: Farḥa) is a 2021 internationally co-produced historical drama film about a Palestinian girl's coming-of-age experience

change to:

Farha (Arabic: فرحة, romanized: Farḥa) is a 2021 internationally co-produced fictional drama film about a Palestinian girl's coming-of-age experience

https://www.standwithus.com/farha-fictional-not-factual#:~:text=Though%20the%20opening%20and%20closing,of%20the%20plot%2C%20are%20fiction. My4cents (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Historical drama" is a genre of fiction. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary and not notable detail about reviewer

@Mcljlm, I understand why you think Umayyah Cable's job title and Palestianian identity is important. It is important. Their expertise (and even their identity) is what makes them a reliable source worthy of being cited on Wikipedia. However, their job title and identity is still not notable on this page and there is no justification for us to mention by digging up unnecessary sources for it. You have now cited two sources that have nothing to do with Farha (and do not even mention the film) as citations for information about Umayyah Cable that is not notable to this page. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't details about someone need to be supported by citations? Mcljlm (talk) 14:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If those details were notable on this page about Farha, the film, then they would be mentioned alongside mentions of the film. The fact that Umayyah Cable is Palestinian is not mentioned on the review of Farha. The detail "American culture and film, television, and media" is also not mentioned. Therefore, it is not notable on the article about Farha. Mentioning these facts on this page is original research and synthesis. You are implying "a conclusion not directly and explicitly supported by the sources". --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "Abu Farida who takes Farha and Farida into his car to evacuate." to "Abu Farida takes Farha[...]" there are numerous grammatical errors like this in the article.

"but he refuses, electing to stay behind and entrusting Farha to the care of Abu Farida" is better worded as, "but he refuses, electing to stay behind and entrusting Abu Farida to look after Farha." or, "but he refuses, electing to stay behind and entrusting Farha in Abu Farida's care."

Also, the part where it says "The soldier cannot bring himself stomp on him and leaves him on the courtyard floor." is unclear and grammatically incorrect. did he leave the baby or kill it? I believe there needs to be a "to" between 'himself' and 'stomp'.

thank you! Kayennepepper (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done - I have fixed these issues, thanks for pointing them out. Jamedeus (talk) 00:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The informant is Farha's uncle

As per this Al Jazeera article: "The collaborator in the film eventually turns out to be Farha’s own uncle, whom she had lovingly looked up to."

If someone could add this information, that'd be greatly appreciate it! After watching the film I came to this article because I didn't recognize who the informant was (I initially thought it was Farha's dad), and I'm sure many other people are looking for the same info. Saladshooter4ever (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]