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Requested move 18 January 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to alternate suggestion. Andrewa (talk) 10:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Fabiola de Mora y AragónFabiola, Queen of the BelgiansWP:CONSORTS says "Consorts who are native subjects of their spouses are often known by their maiden name or the title they held in their own right". Fabiola was not natively Belgian. Her maiden surname is also not very notable. I would also support a move to Fabiola of Belgium (or, alternatively of the Belgians). Other consorts have been named in this format, such as Marie of Romania (rather than Marie of Edinburgh) and Alexandra of Yugoslavia (rather than Alexandra of Greece and Denmark).--Estar8806 (talk) 03:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support move to Fabiola of Belgium. See an earlier, successful move proposal above: the page was moved here from Queen Fabiola of Belgium just a year ago on the strength of a nomination based on a thoroughly incorrect interpretation of WP:CONSORTS, stating that it was (the general practice for deceased consort per WP:CONSORTS. But WP:CONSORTS states explicitly that there is no general practice regarding deceased consorts); the nominator apparently focused on the second bullet point alone and didn't take into account all the bullets nor the conclusion following them.
That misconceived proposal went unchallenged, so the move was carried out as uncontested. If I'd noticed at the time, I'd have opposed it. She's primarily known as Belgium's queen and, as you note, we've got Marie of Romania, etc. While "Queen of the Belgians" is formally the title, WP:COMMONNAME applies, and most people have to be told that Belgium's royalty is formally titled "King/Queen of the Belgians". In addition, WP:CONSORTS expresses one general practice, which is that "Queen" is typically omitted; and Fabiola's husband is listed as Baudouin of Belgium, not Baudouin, King of the Belgians. So my !vote is for Fabiola of Belgium. Largoplazo (talk) 11:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Please be wary of possible citogenesis when editing

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Some of this article's wording and that of The Independent's is similar. It may be a backwards copyvio; alternatively, both are drawing from some third source, such as the official website of the Belgian monarchy. The obit dates from 2014 (of course), and some variation of (inexact quote) "reduced her duties to avoid overshadowing Paola" been in this [enwp] article since at least 2006. Given this, it is fair to make sure everyone's keeping watch for possible citogenesis—the obit is probably okay, as it probably went through The Independent's fact checkers and editorial process, but better safe than sorry. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]