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This page was originally at Talk:Eyes on Me. That article was merged into Music of Final Fantasy VIII and that page became a disambiguation page. This article was later re-created with better references. The discussion page was therefore moved here.

To understand some of the old discussions it may be necessary to see the history of the page "Eyes on Me". - Fayenatic (talk) 12:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did Laguna ever love Julia ?

When I played the game, I was really touched at the part when Laguna came into Julia's room. It's clear that she wrote a song for him and let him hear it, but he just said "it's nice song", I think that Julia recorgnized that Laguna just cared for her as a singer, he just admired her and didn't love her. So the lyric has this: "I'm not a dress and a voice...". I'm right or wrong?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.235.118.96 (talk) 07:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Laguna was a bit more than simply infatuated. He never had the chance to express his feelings to Julia though. When Raine came into the picture however, his memory turned into an old crush and died out. Of course on Julia's side her lyrics clearly stated that she hoped for more in the "relationship".70.132.31.72 06:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why doesn't it have the lyrics for Eyes on Me??

Eyes on Me DOES have lyrics, so how come the article doesn't have lyrics?? Can someone add them ASAP?? Thanks, from Danmeister (Can't be bothered signing)

Because this is an encyclopedia, and the lyrics were a copyright violation. But I'll add a link to a site with the lyrics tho. --LBMixPro ^<Sp ^e ^ak|on|it!> 09:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken the liberty of removing the lyrics section from the article, for exactly the reasons LBMixPro stated above. – Seancdaug 07:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

deleted "though criticized as sappy at times"

Pretty much any pop song with love as its theme can be criticized as such. Thus, this statement is frivolous and unecessary. And besides, who criticizes it as being sappy? Musical critics? Other musicians? I doubt it - most likely it is the person who wrote that sentence.

Please don't merge

This song sold 400,000 copies, won major awards, and made Faye Wong an international star. Please don't bury it inside some random sub-article. Kappa 12:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It will certainly not be "buried inside some random sub-article". Music of Final Fantasy VIII is a good article; this article is nothing. Merging will strengthen both subjects and hopefully lead to a featured article. Kariteh 13:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Burying it for the sake of making some random sub-article into a featured article is still burying it. Kappa 13:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is it buried? A person searching for "Eyes On Me" would be sent directly to the section about Eyes On Me in the main article. No burying about it. Please don't turn this into a debate about "second-class articles" and such. Axem Titanium 14:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is notable? if so, it deserve its own article.--Skyfiler 17:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"How is it buried?" Jesus Christ. Kappa 00:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Jesus Christ" is not a sufficient response to my question. Axem Titanium 01:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try to put yourself in the position of someone who doesn't actually give a damn about Final Fantasy. Kappa 09:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't actually give a damn about FFVIII (my least favourite FF) and I see no problem with Eyes On Me being on this page. All the information is present, the song is aptly covered, the larger topic is aptly covered, and readers can read what they want on the article. What problem could there possibly be? You seem to have yet to bring any concrete argument in this whole discussion to back up your opinion, apart from the fact that you "don't like it". Kariteh 13:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take your word for it that all the information is there in the article, but you are still forcing me to read a whole article about an irrelevant topic to find it. Kappa 14:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, the topic is not irrelevant. You might be a fan of Faye Wong and a FFVIII hater, but it would not change the fact that Eyes On Me was composed by an FF composer for an FF game. Second, no one is forcing you to read the whole article! The links redirect to the correct section, not the top of the article. You don't have to "find" anything, redirections do it for you. Also, please stop reverting Eyes On Me before a consensus is reached; you're the one who acted without discussing first, contrary to the people who had properly discussed and merged the article two month ago. Kariteh 14:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK I'm stuck with a shitty treatment because this belongs to the Final Fantasy project. If there was proper discussion two months ago, where the fuck it it? Is there a deleted revision of this page somewhere maybe? "The links redirect to the correct section?" WTF are you talking about. Read the fucking article. Kappa 14:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aww, what do you expect me to answer when you're putting words in my mouth in my place? I'll just note that nobody ever said that this(ese) article(s) belong(s) to the Final Fantasy project, except you. Kariteh 20:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And the people (or person?) who decided to merge this without even consulting the authors. Kappa 20:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability determines whether it should appear on Wikipedia or not, not whether it gets its own article or not. Axem Titanium 18:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is just a guideline; the fact of the matter is that we are not a shrine to everything. Thus, it's a minimum standard. We present material in the best and most encyclopedic way possible, even if we have to ignore some rules. — Deckill er 19:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object to the merger, but where is the discussion referred to above by Kariteh (I have added the emphasis)? Has it been deleted? Fayenatic london (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Music of Final Fantasy VIII#Merge into encyclopedia article. Merge had been disagreed with once after that, at Talk:Music of Final Fantasy VIII#Restore the Articles for the Albums, and the article improved (tracklists were added) thanks to Nahald's comments. Kariteh 20:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ROFL that's the "proper discussion" that gives you the arrogance to revert my improvements and threaten to ban me for trying to make them. Kappa 20:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's also the tacit approval of all the editors who helped get Music of Final Fantasy VIII to GA status. There was de facto consensus to merge and it has become stronger because of it. Axem Titanium 20:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I can see there's whole army of Final Fantasy fans who insist presenting everything from their perspective. Kappa 20:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, most of the die-hard fans have gone to the Final Fantasy Wikia because of Wikipedia's restrictions... — Deckill er 22:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(bumping back indent) I really don't see how this being "from [Final Fantasy] perspective" is bad. You yourself chose to leave the story-related section in your version of the article. The song is tied to the game so excluding that segment of it would simply be censorship of information. Axem Titanium 21:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When suggesting a merge in future, please use Template:mergeto on the article to be merged, and leave it long enough for editors interested in that article to comment. On this occasion it seems there was no notice on the article before it was merged. I'm prepared to assume good faith but I can understand why others were put out by what happened here. Fayenatic london (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kappa, I understand your fustration as everyone has their own opinion on how the articles should be presented. But please remember, noone owns the article on Wikipedia and it seems like that you want to 'own' the article by ignoring what the other users think (from the look, you are the only one who actively revert the article to the old style while a number of users have reverted your edits). It would be great if we can discuss on this before getting into another edit war. --Cyktsui 23:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No-one owns the article, but there are a large number of assholes from one project who are preventing improvements to it while pretending there has already been some kind of discussion about it. Kappa 10:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've already gone back into the page history and added your recent improvements there into the "Music of FF8" article. I left out Angela Aki's comment on Nobuo's views as it was an indirect report and I was unsure whether Excite was a reliable source; in any case the same text remains at Kokoro no Senshi. "Red Bean" didn't seem important.

As to the importance of the song for Faye Wong, it's obvious that the song introduced her to some (many) more Western hearers, but do you have a source for how much impact it had on her international standing, please? Fayenatic london (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delighted to have found a source for that at last, at the BBC of all places! - Fayenatic (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kappa, please be careful on the way that you speak to others, your wording, WTF, assholes are all considered as personal attack. We are most happy to discuss the situation with you, provided that you stop using offensive languages. If your behaviour does not change, it is possible for your account to be banned due to personal attack. --Cyktsui 00:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cyktsui please remember you have been removing valid additions to this encylopedia with completely bullshit justifications. Kappa 03:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics extract

The fully lyrics of the song have rightly been deleted in the past as a violation of copyright. However, a few brief lines are included because they explain and give context to the song title. This is believed to be fair use, and within Wikipedia's policy at WP:NFC#Text. – Fayenatic L (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About Lyricist

I'm Japanese. So, I can't write perfect English.

We reed "染谷和美" Kazumi Someya. Not always reed Kako Someya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ymatsushi (talk • contribs) 14:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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2021 merge

user:PresN carried out a partial merge of this article in August 2021.[1]

I only just noticed this, and am disputing it, see Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2022_January_15#File:FayeWong-EyesOnMe.jpg. – Fayenatic London 12:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article was redirected on 11 February 2024‎ by Kung Fu Man. That redirection was reverted today by Aspects, by which time I had merged the content more fully to Music_of_Final_Fantasy_VIII#Eyes_on_Me. – Fayenatic London 21:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fayenatic You contested this merge over two years ago...and then nothing was done with this article by you or other editors. While there's no deadline on wikipedia, reasonably when something is still visibly failing notability there's a reasonable point to say "this should be merged."--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The FFD was closed in order to open a merger discussion. I missed that after the FFD discussion, George Ho started that merger discussion at Talk:Music_of_Final_Fantasy_VIII#Redirect_Eyes_on_Me_(Faye_Wong_song)?_(2022). It seemed to peter out with PresN saying he would not merge it as other editors were opposed. That is, it ended without consensus to merge. – Fayenatic London 22:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, two years ago. I don't think anyone has a problem with an article being here if someone's a) putting the work in to demonstrate notability, even with a reflist and/or b) putting the work in on it. But you have to establish notability at the very least and some indication of it being important enough from the list that it needs to be separate. So what do you have to establish that?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kung Fu Man: the chart rankings, and media coverage including BBC News, seem sufficient to me. The awards are not as significant as those listed in WP:NSONG, but also contribute to the overall notability. As stated, this has been put to a discussion, and there was not a consensus to merge the article as NN. – Fayenatic London 23:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]