Talk:Eurodance

Finally, I'm able to provide you with some REAL info!

OK, here it is: I uploaded on Youtube a rare interview from 1994, broadcasted on MTV's European Party Zone. The interview shows various artists contribute to the question: What is "Euro".

What is the most interesting on those 5 minutes, is the last piece of the interview, from the eurohouse band "24/7 (Twenty 4 Seven). Listen to what they say: This is how WE in the United States call this European Dance music. We call it Eurodance.

Eventually, I gonna find every piece of the puzzle, because I have it TAPED. Of course, I have hundreds of VHS tapes so the digging ain't gonna be easy. It may takes a lifetime to prove the obvious, but I'll do it! Why? Because I hate fake terms and this is OUR music. The first music made in the European Union.

I repeat what I already said: The Term "Eurodance" first used by VJ Christiana Baker to describe the European Dance Charts of the show "Braun European top 20" in 1989. Then, it used in USA again, around 1994 to sell compilations of Eurohouse music there. The term "EuroHouse" used at least once by VJ Simone Angel during 1994 on the "Dance" music show. I'll find those tapes one day, I promise you!

On the sidenote, I repeat that the term Eurotrance used on "MTV Dance" thematic channel during a "special" countdown on 2002. I have that on tape too, one day I'll find it!

Anyway, for now at least I'm happy with the fact that I can provide you with a something usefull from that time, which proves one of my points: There is no "Eurodance" music. Eurodance is a term used on U.S.A. around 1994 to describe the non UK based European imports of commercial dance music, which based on this interview has the general name "euro". Not "Dance", "Dancefloor" and other stupid things I read here.

Here is the link. I hope they won't ban my account on youtube again for providing this material without any permission!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyqw3IWGaKw

Labrokratis (talk) 14:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

'Italodance' should not refer to eurodance

When searching for "Italodance" you are forwarded to Eurodance which is wrong, you should be forwarded to the article about italodance here: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Italo_dance

It looks like someone's added a redirect, so it should be OK now. Squidfryerchef 01:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

76.105.187.236 Reply: I agree, in Italy 80's, there was Italo disco, and then came Italo dance. Italo-dance has a unique characterics that should be defined on its own.

Yes, it's 80s Italo-disco that's more important to us. I noticed the article doesn't distinguish between the two, we should mention Eiffel 65 down in the "2000s" section, not the Hi-NRG section. P.S. If you start your first line with a ':', the system will indent it so everybody knows it's a reply. And if you put 4 '~'s at the end, the system will sign and date the post. Squidfryerchef 01:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Archived discussion

Have moved old discussion to an archive page; link is above. Squidfryerchef 01:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk page guidelines and removed discussion

Please note WP:TALK and WP:CIVIL. There's a certain format the talk page is supposed to be in, in chronological order. I've removed a discussion thread added over the past couple of months which couldn't be refactored because I could barely tell who was talking to who, and it wasn't always civil. Please bring up your concerns about the page one point at a time. Squidfryerchef 01:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox and popularity in Argentina vs. Latin America

The infobox lists countries and regions where Eurodance is, or was, particularly popular. Argentina has been listed there for a long time, in the top tier with Europe and Japan. Every so often it gets changed to "Latin America". I haven't had extensive travel in Latin America but it seems like Eurodance would "fit" with a place like Argentina or Uruguay, but I have a hard time picturing it in Bolivia, Cuba, or rural Mexico. "Latin America" is a very big region with all different kinds of people. Squidfryerchef 01:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Argentina's eurodance popularity is small compared to Brazil for example where many eurodance artist tour there each year. Also, other latin-america countries where eurodance is still favorites are Peru, Ecuador, and Chile . Only including Argentina alone does not correctly justify eurodance popularity in South America.

No, Mexico, Bolivia, & Cuba does not have much support for eurodance (cuba is part of the Caribbean)...However, most of the South-American countries where eurodance is supported would dominate most of South America continent...so changed to South America would be more correct. --71.236.129.134 05:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I will put "South America" in the infobox. P.S. don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages. Squidfryerchef 21:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I change it, the Latin America or south America label makes no sense AT ALL. I have been in those countries, but before I make my point of view (that some people could call subjetive maybe), let's used the numbers.

ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DANCE-ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL IN THE WORLD IS CREAMFIELDS. ARGENTINA,HAS THE HIGHEST ATTENDANCE IN THE WORLD WITH 75,000 PEOPLE, PLUS IT HAS ANOTHER 4 VERY LARGE ANNUAL DANCE FESTIVALS WITH BIG ATTENDANCE AND THEY ARE VERY POPULAR (YOU CAN CHECK IT HERE IN WIKIPEDIA). DANCE IS THE MOST POPULAR MUSIC IN ARGENTINA AFTER ROCK AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.

That's why Argentina has make some very popular DJs worldwide like Hernan Cattaneo, DJ Dero...

I DON'T EVEN SEE SOMETHING CLOSER TO THAT LIIN OTHER AMERICAN COUNTRIES!!

And other American countries were Creamfield was, had an attendance of barely 10,000 (also those who the previous user said it has popularity like Brazil (where with 150 million had an attendance of just 10,000), and they haven't important dance festivals, radio stations and others like in Argentina (and probably Uruguay).

Just because teher are some light presence of dance, doesn't mean it has a high popularity.

And after the onjetive numbers I'll finish with an experience, I went to several different clubs in Argentina, as I did when I visit Brazil, Mexico and Ecuador. I DON'T LISTEN TO ONE DANCE SONG IN THE LAST MENTIONED COUNTRIES, WHILE IN ARGENTINA IT WAS HALF OF THE MUSIC OR MORE IN EVERY CLUB!!. AND EVEN THOSE IN ARGENTIN 8YOUNG PEOPLE) WHO DIDN'T LIKE DANCE, OR ELECTRONICA KNOW THEIR MORE FAMOUS DJS OR AT LEAST SONGS.

Ally

"See also" section

Should the "See also" section be removed because most of those links are better handled in the infobox? Or should "See also" be cleaned up because it has a link to "Euro pop" but no links to NRG or Italo. Also, the articles on related styles vary in quality. Should we only list well-written ones in the "See also" section? Squidfryerchef 22:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

==>Reply: Leave it because they're convenient useful links. Just add NRG & Italo to it so it's even more useful lists of "See Also".

Revision INPUTS & FEEDBACK

1. The introduction paragraph only has 2 sentences!!? and it doesn't describe to the reader the typical characteristics of Eurodance..(not until later). I suggest adding 2-3 more intro sentences.

Example: The most distinquish feature of eurodance music is the abundance of the vocal choruses and/or rap verses as opposed to other styles of dance music where less vocals are heard. The combination of rich vocals, rap, creative synth, strong bass rhytms, and catchy melodies make eurodance tracks easy to attract listeners and fill the dance floors. or shorter, The common characteristics of eurodance music includes rich vocals and/or rap verses, creative synths, strong bass thythms, and catchy melodies.

2. History section seems to be shooting off in many different places and seems quite long...is it possible to make it more concise yet provide better details?

3. Italodance (although unique on its own), has some common features with Eurodance, we should include Italodance somewhere in the article. and link the word to the "Italodance" article.

4. We should add a new section to describe the general Eurodance as of current (update). There has been many european dance releases up until now from original 90's artists (Scooter, E-Type, Dr. Alban, DJ Bobo, U96, Basic Element...etc.) and also many new generation of artists have came out (look up youtube.com "eurodance" and u will see!).

I would sugest removing the 2000's part from the History section and re-introduce it to a new up-to-date eurodance section. This new section does not have to be very detail, just some overall general description (2000's until now)....with room for later additions/modification/updates...etc...(until we hit the next decade of european dance music!).

~Euro4Ever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.186.202 (talk) 05:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Woah, there. The thing this article needs, right now, is cites to published sources. Eurodance was so big in the mid-90s but there's very little I can find to quote other than liner notes and web sites. We really need someone to go though their back issues of DMA and look for interviews with Captain Hollywood. I think the introduction is fine. It's the product of many editors going back and forth with it for a long time. The history section is also the way it is because of consensus. It describes how NRG, house, and rap influenced the style, it has an "in America" section because a number of the editors are in the U.S., where there was a different experience of the style than in Europe. The 2000's section, while it could be retitled, is there to explain how a lot of us feel that Eurodance is really something from the mid-90s and the newer style is a different genre awaiting a new name. I mean, it is Eurodance, but in the same sense that Stock, Aitken, and Waterman are disco. If anything I'd want to expland the history section and talk about the lack of a youth culture, real or manufactured, to go along with the music. I do agree though that Italodance should be explained somewhere in the "2000s" section or whatever that section gets renamed to. Squidfryerchef 03:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

UHM I dfont know how im suposed to format this but the artical makes no mention to hands up or to happyhardcore which are both genre's that are Ofshoots of eurodance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.143.154 (talk) 05:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Are those UK-specific terms for Eurotrance and Bubblegum Dance? Squidfryerchef (talk) 16:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No happy hardcore is a rave genre that originally was break beat hardcore with happy elements like high pitched lyrics and piano stabs but as it evolved incorperated elements of hardbag house and then later around 1994 fused with eurodance creating a genre of music dominated by piano rolls, arpeggios, chromatic percussive instruments, synth horns, mostly female vocals (although male vocals are used occasionally), and minimal male raping. it was essentialy eurodance with faster bpm less vocals, a smaller variety of instruments, and little to no rap verse.

ex. Im a raver- Lipstick

   queen of the rhythm - Lipstick
   Luv u more - DJ Paul Elstak
   Field of Dreams- NightCore

Handsup is the Trance version of Eurodance

ex. Sensuality - S.E.X.Appeal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenithsonzai (talk • contribs) 02:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Captalization

Unlike most genres, Eurodance always seems to be written with a capital 'E', why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neon white (talk • contribs) 18:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Probably people are reading the "Euro" prefix as a place name and capitalizing it. I'm undecided whether it should be capital or lowercase. Squidfryerchef 13:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have the same issue techniccally i don't think it needs to be capitalized as it isn't a proper noun or adjective but could be said to be short for 'dance music of Europe' in which case the capital is correct, i always tend to and it looks better. I think either is probably acceptable as long as it is consistant. --Neon white 17:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

About compilations and notability

There's been some debate in the edit history on whether or not to mention compilation albums. I'm personally for mentioning a small number of the early ones. I think the opposing argument is why mention just one or two albums when there are many, many eurodance compilations out there, and what makes the ones I chose notable? My point is that there might be Avogadro's number of euro compilations published now, but back in 1995 there were only a few.

If you use Google to look through discogs.com, there's a very short list of albums that have the name "eurodance" before 1997 or so. I think it's important to mention the earliest ones. Now my personal opinion is that having all those albums on the market contributed to the euro-fansites on the newly open WWW standardizing on the name "euodance", but that of course is speculation and we all agreee that doesn't belong in the article.

But I think we can agree that albums X,Y,Z were released in a particular year and were early examples of the term "eurodance" being used to describe a certain style of music. Squidfryerchef 02:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I can see your point but i still think that wikipedia requires a source that says these type of albums contributed to eurodance, as it stands there is no indication in the article as to why these particular albums are worth of note and it also should be noted that albums may exist that contain eurodance that do not contain eurodance in the title such [1]. A better solution might be to have a list of eurodance compilations if a source for their importance cannot be found. --Neon white 04:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well anyway I looked through Discogs again and found a couple of even earlier compilations with the word "eurodance" in the title from 1993[2] and 1994[3] respectively. So potentially we could be maintaining a still longer list. However I was able to find a review of the DMA compilation which also said how important it was to eurodance fans in the U.S. So I'll move DMA to the U.S. section and cite the review but wait on the Logic compilation for now. Squidfryerchef 20:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

2000s

I find the 2000s subsection extremely unsatisfying.

It talks about trends as "trance music losing popularity since 2006" - I don't think you can make such general clames about a period so short ago. Also it talks about the quality of the music, something people may (may!) agree on when they are talking about a certain artist, but not when talked a complete genre. In: "[...]among others, represent some of the best of the second generation of Eurodance artists." best oughts to be replaced by a more neutral term, such as 'most successful'.

GreatMagicalHat (talk) 01:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you can help us out with it. I'm more familiar with the Eurodance of the mid-'90s so it's difficult for me to make a judgement call there. Yes we should probably stay away from things like "since 2006". Also there is a guideline called WP:PEACOCK about avoiding phrasing such as "best of the second generation". Squidfryerchef (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do next time I am behind a computer (will not be before thirtiest). I am not too familiar with the subject either, but I can make it more neutral - as a start. GreatMagicalHat (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The first eurodance song

Im trying to find the first eurodance song for the article. any canidates? so far i have ruled out Rhythm is a dancer since it was released in 1992 and have Get ready for this ahead of it since it was released in 1991(see below) but i cant get a specific date on it.

potential Canidates:

Plaza - O-Oh (1990) (it has all the features of eurodance except the female vocals)

any contributions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenithsonzai (talk • contribs) 04:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I can't comment on the Plaza song, but I'd root for Rhythm is a Dancer by Snap or Its My Life by Dr. Alban. I don't know if Get Ready for This is really "eurodance" because it doesn't have the melody or duet, it's really more of the style of house music that eventually contributed to eurodance. On the other hand, try listening to some 1980s Italo, like Capsicum by Stargo, Tarzan Boy by Baltimora, or You're My Heart, You're My Soul by Modern Talking for roots of eurodance. Anyway that's an interesting and endlessly debatable question, and its been brought up here before (see archive 1), but we can't come out and say that in the article unless published sources weigh in on the question. We can and do list early and influential songs which works out pretty well. PS. Please don't link to music videos online as it can cause a copyright problem (theyve been taken out). Squidfryerchef (talk) 03:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

heh yeah ive been analysing the midi files of eurodance songs and i looked at the one for get ready for this and your right... it lacks the arpegios and it lacks alot of other things... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenithsonzai (talk • contribs) 00:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

First Eurodance artist?

Which was the very first artist to create Eurodance music? Can someone tell me ASAP? Please post the answer on my talk page. BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ice MC - he have song in 1989 which is slowstyle hip hop eurodance,Dr.Alban,Masterboy 1990 song Dance to the beat or even Technotronic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajdinn (talk • contribs) 14:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Taio Cruz

Taio Cruz ft Ludacris: I'm only gonna break your heart?!?!?! Thats EURO-DANCE! At least thats what I think. -- Dandekar (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Cascada highest selling eurodance artist

See here. The only artist in front of them is David Guetta and he is not eurodance. This should be noted here. --Cprice1000talk2me 02:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure but David Guetta produces Eurodance, too! E.g. "Who's that chick feat. Rihannah". --Haukesa (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

True, WTC is often called euro, but he is often described more as a house DJ. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 21:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Recent Influences by Eurodance

European media is writing about Eurodance becoming popular in U.S. http://www.viva.tv/news/eurodance_vorwaerts_in_die-neunziger_1298370090/ http://www.20min.ch/life/musik/story/26417275 And I read an Interview by the BEP where they mentioned that "Eurodance is great for partying (and they can't understand why Europeans hate it)". But I am unable to find it. --Haukesa (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Even though I don't think so, that is something that could definitely be put into the US section. Use successful US eurodance artists, too. (e.g. Cascada or September) --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 21:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

come on folks; Inna, Lady Gaga, Madonna, these aint no eurodance artists ! ! !

if you can come up with a song belonging to those artists, song that contain Rap, heavy synth and danceable rhythm, then I put cheeze into your bank accounts !

Genre?

The genre combining elements of Trance music, Vocal House, Vocal Trance?

i see Hi-NRG - Techno - House – Eurodisco - Italo Disco - Space Disco - Electro - Synthpop - Dance-pop - Electropop - Vocal House - Vocal Trance - Hip hop/Rap on infobox. it really? genre is unreliable, I see it not like this. I think Hi-NRG, House music, and Hip hop music/rap was one of the main bases of Eurodance. --Sard112 (talk) 23:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

rhythm is a dancer is directly influenced by planet rock. its even on record that the producer of snap had it in mind while producing the song. i see its origins as more hi-nrg hiphouse, electro, latin freestyle. --anonymous 01:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Popularity in US

Is the Emergence of popularity for house music in the US doing anything to bring up Euro dance with it? --J intela (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Far as I know was Eurodance was only popular in Florida-Miami electronic music festivals. The genre was much more intense in Europe and South America becoming mainstream music for a short period of time (1994-1995). American house music and groups like Technotronic and C+C Music Factory enjoyed popularity but was early forgotten with emergence of hip-hop.

About a statement

In the "notable eurodance artist" there is this statement

Some examples of "original" Eurodance acts that emerged from the late 1980s until the mid-1990s are 2 Brothers On The 4th Floor, 2 Unlimited, Ace of Base, Alexia, Bad Boys Blue, Blue System, Cappella, Captain Hollywood Project, Centory, Colonia, Corona, Culture Beat, Dee Monk, Double You, DJ Bobo, Dr. Alban, E-rotic. E-Type, Electro Team, First Base, Fun Factory, Haddaway, Ice MC, Imperio, Indra, J.K., La Bouche, Lobby, Le Click, Lynda Thomas, Magic Affair, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, Masterboy, Maxx, Mr. President, N-Trance, Nicki French, No Mercy, Paradisio, Playahitty, Real McCoy, Scatman John, Snap!, Technotronic and Whigfield.

I'm not saying they were unknown at the time, I'm asking if there is a valid source regarding this statement.--79.17.199.225 (talk) 10:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Origins of Eurodance

Basicly, the eurodance instruments used (not mentioned in this article, why?) were

1. Roland TR-909 for claps and hi-hats, real or sampled, produced in 1984-85;
2. Korg M1 for the piano, produced from 1988 to 1995;
3. Yamaha TX81Z for the bass, produced in 1987.

Now, not looking at the synthesizers used afterwards, like the Roland U-20 and so on, and listening to the songs just labeled as Euro House on Discogs, I think that the genre was born in 1988 (not before!) with songs like "Edelweiss - Bring me edelweiss" and "Apollo II - One small step".

It would be interesting what people says about the origins of this genre before just saying 1988 or 1989 in the article. 79.12.173.22 (talk) 15:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

My last updates to the page

Binksternet removed my recent edits as unreliable. I added some more groups for artists examples with links to the wikipedia artist pages. On these pages there are details regarding the type of music and the time released. No further citation is therefore needed. The artists are also organized in better way.

The presence of a citation in another article does not mean this article can work without also having the citation. Each fact needs to be supported by citation in each article.

Rateyourmusic.com is unreliable because it accepts user input.

This article needs a lot of work, and that work should be based on WP:Reliable sources. Find some published information and bring it into the article. Unreferenced stuff should be removed. Binksternet (talk) 09:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Rateyourmusic.com perhaps you are right, honestly I do not know, but I think it is better than nothing and that's why I added it. If you think this info is totally wrong you can remove it. The article has indeed much unreferenced info from previous edits and need further work but to my knowledge for most part it is well written and includes facts. Regarding mentioning groups as examples, as I said no it doesn’t need citations for that as long as there are other specific wikipedia pages that include these references. If we do so for every single example we will end up having more code for citation than for the content of the article and that will make it very difficult to read. As for the rest of the content yes it needs to be improved with WP:Reliable sources but just removing small edits without discussing doest not help. Clicklander (talk) 09:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm not making this stuff up! All facts must be verifiable, per WP:V which also says in WP:CIRCULAR that you cannot use Wikipedia articles as the source for facts. There is no guideline to support your notion that a lot of references would make the article difficult to read. Rateyourmusic.com is listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources#Sources_to_avoid, so it must be removed. Regarding whether your changes should stay after they are challenged, the WP:V guideline says that the burden is on the person who adds text or restores challenged text. Binksternet (talk) 10:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Notable Eurodance artists

The section "Notable Eurodance artists" after the last edit from user Binksternet is now very confusing. The link directs to a list of European dance music artists that are not limited to the Eurodance genre but includes various other genres like pop, trance, house, disco, hip-hop and even local country specific traditional genres. I would suggest to revert this section back to its previous state where it was much more representative for this type of music, mentioning just selective bands. Clicklander (talk) 16:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

If you would like to separate out the artists who are specifically Eurodance then please cite sources describing the artist as a Eurodance artist. Binksternet (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

I do not have specific sources for that. I am just saying that the current list is wrong and the previous one was correct.Clicklander (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Classification section

There used to be a classification section which was repetitively removed by user Binksternet as poorly sourced and as WP:NOR here: [4] here: [5] and here: [6]. Apparently there are at least two different types of Eurodance music, the initial one which was produced in the early to mid-90s and another one that was mainly produced in the late 90s and it seems to be called Bubblegum dance in order to be distinguished from the initial one. Both match the definition given in this article and both have similarities but also obvious differences in the music style. They almost never existed at the same time or at least they never were mainstream at the same time in western Europe. There are many references on the web for this separation, there is a website with lots of info called http://www.bubblegumdancer.com , there is even a separate wikipedia article for Bubblegum dance, unreferenced though. According to Binksternet none of these references is reliable and therefore this part should be removed. However this separation is not a big discovery from myself or from the person who initially wrote this section (I do not know who) and of course it is not an WP:NOR whatsoever. Anybody who follows this genre from the very beginning knows about this differentiation, it is a general fact, and the description existed before looked pretty accurate to me without saying that it can't be improved even more with more reliable sources. I do not think it is of the article's benefit to leave this piece of information out. From encyclopedic point of view there should be such a mention either in this section or in the history section, it will help the reader to understand better what this genre is about and how it evolved over time. Therefore my suggestion is to bring it back and tag it for until somebody finds the right source to improve it. Clicklander (talk) 07:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

This is a violation of WP:No original research. You don't have a source describing how Eurodance is classified into two parts called classic Eurodance and Bubblegum dance. Instead, there's a very poorly referenced bit about bubblegum dance being light-hearted and happy. Stop reading more into the sources than can be found in them. Binksternet (talk) 08:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I do not know if the Eurodance music of the early 90s should be called classic or something else. In the description previously it was written "Classic" which implies this is not an official name but just an indication to distinguish it from the Bubblegum Eurodance. And that's what these sources describe, reliable or not, that there is this difference that separates Eurodance music in at least 2 parts.

In wikipedia there is also another unreferenced article about Italo dance eurodance. I do not know if this term does really exists, I haven't searched it but from the description in the article this style looks quiet different from the other two and perhaps should not be classified as Eurodance but I am not sure about that (more electro-pop that Eurodance).

Another type of music that you can also find many sources on the web call it Eurodance is the dance music from Romania originated in the late 2000s and exists and evolves until today with big success in many countries is Europe, especially in eastern Europe. Examples of artists are Alexandra Stan, Inna etc. and in the last years there are productions of this style in other countries as well like Greece. In the old version of the article there was a mention to this music. Personally I find it very different from the original Eurodance music of the 90s and I am not sure if should be mentioned in this article or if it has its own unique genre, however most music web sites and also the related wikipedia articles describe it mainly as Eurodance. Clicklander (talk) 10:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Here's the big problem: You are trying to figure this stuff out yourself, to classify and define it yourself! Wikipedia is not about that. Instead, Wikipedia is based on published sources. If there are no published sources describing how Eurodance is classified into two types, then don't create such a scheme out of thin air. Binksternet (talk) 05:43, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

No I am not trying to classify it myself. There are many sources talking about such classifications or differentiations inside a music genre, like this one: http://www.eurokdj.com/faqs.php , the same sources that other wikipedia articles are based on and you reject them as unreliable. In music what is reliable and what is not regarding the genres is very subjective, since most terms are formed over time from the the listeners themselves according to the music trends and made acceptable from the public. There is no some expert who defines the genres and assignees names. I would say if a genre is accepted by the majority of the people, for instance if people often use terms like Eurodance and Bubblegum to describe an Aqua song, not only in published books and journal articles, but also in everyday communication, in unofficial web pages, in forums, in blogs etc. they should be taken as reliable terms for this music. Clicklander (talk) 09:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

What seems to confuse you is that eurodance is basically a catch-all term for "poppified" electronic dance music of the day, so it should not confuse you that early 90s eurodance has different feel to it. Back then it was influenced by hip house, reggae, technotronic and that's why it sounded like that. Those were the hottest (and accessible to common folk) 4x4 edm rhythms of the day. Then happy hardcore became popular and eurodance started to sound like that. Then late 90s house became popular and eurodance started to sound like it. Then trance became popular and eurodance started to sound like it. Then french house became popular and eurodance started to sound like it. It's that simple. Eurodance was always a mirror of the hottest 4x4 edm type of the day.

And Romanian popcorn is a little bit different beast, although it arguably mutated from Moldovan (O-Zone) & Romanian (Play 2 Win and others) eurodance and house scene. Who knows? That's a speculation. Romanian popcorn is described as "dance-pop" in Music of Romania, with only God knowing what sense they meant by writing "dance-pop". It could mean anything, basically a nondescriptive term. The thing is, music journos, who are often the sole sources for this type of articles have no business teaching us precise music genre history. They hear some danceable pop and slap "dance-pop" on it; does it sound "electronic" and pop - here come "techno pop", "synth pop" and "electro-pop" (the exact choice is up to the journalist), should the author be from the mainstage EDM fields but the song sounds pop? It's EDM-pop (that simple, according to them). Should it be black macho singer and the song sounds "electronic"? "Electro-R&B" they say, whatever they mean. And if you see the gist, then you already know how "Eurodance" came to being. Artist is "euro"? Sounds like "pumts-pumts-pumts" dancefloor filler? Sounds "electronic"? Cheesy surface-level text and vocals oftentimes with heavy "euro" accent? Must be "eurodance"! 178.121.40.38 (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Characteristics of the Music

Can we talk about the way this section was completely gutted on March 7 or so? Just due to poor citation, or what? I remember describing the percussion as synthesized and the melody section giving multiple examples, and now it's just simply gone. 174.45.169.156 (talk) 04:53, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

It definitely needs some discussion first before someone proceeds to such a massive deletions. Not all poorly referenced materials need to be eliminated. Some of them are very useful info and just need some improvement. Clicklander (talk) 08:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, all unreferenced and poorly referenced text must be removed. If you are summarizing music books and music magazines then you will have some reliable sources on which to base your writing, and these sources will serve as cites. It's that easy. Binksternet (talk) 09:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017

In the first sentence underneath, Eurodance#United States, could somebody add a comma after "Houston" and before "etc.", so that it says, "Eurodance is not well known in the United States outside of the major cities such as New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, Houston, etc.?

173.73.227.128 (talk) 14:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

 Not done there is no ambiguity, so there is no need for a serial comma - please see MOS:SERIAL for Wikipedia's Manual of Style guidance- Arjayay (talk) 15:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Just me who calls it Eurobeat

Or do people consider that something different, because I'm not sure about adding that to the 'sometimes known as' section Tdp2612 (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC) Tdp2612 (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Tdp2612: A Eurobeat article already exists, but if reliable sources are found stating that Eurodance is also known by that name, you are welcome to add that information. I don't see how it would warrant its own section, though—see the progressive rock article for an example of how alternative names are worked into the infobox, lead sentence, and first subsection. LifeofTau 22:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Dancefloor

This Music is called "Dancefloor" in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A540:BC06:0:4B2:49E4:CCBC:1B0B (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Popularity in Saudi Arabia

Eurodance somehow enjoyed popularity in Saudi Arabia looking at some videos of Tafheet on youtube many of them had Eurodance songs made by Ice MC, Masterboy, Fun Factory, Capital Sounds, Roxxy, Imperio, MC Erik & Barbara, Activate etc... 51.223.124.134 (talk) 02:56, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Eurodance ceased to exist after 1995.

Eurodance ceased to exist after 1995. After 1995 it is not eurodance. So many factual errors in the article!

Gianfranco Bortolotti

Note: Even though it looks like I am crediting the phrase 'commercial European dance music' with Gianfranco Bortolotti (when it might have been dreamt up by Peter Pritchard), I am using it as it was the definition always used in promotions/leaflets from the Media Records mailing list in the 1990s (obviously from the British arm of the company). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.247 (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Popularity

The article claims twice that there was a decline in the popularity of this music style. I do not know what evidence there is to support this claim; it appears to be an unevidenced statement based on assumption. It seems to me that fans of the genre/style will still like it even if some younger listeners/record buyers who make up the sales of pop music might not. It is assumed that pop music is popular - however the majority of people may dislike modern pop music and it may be the music liked by the greatest minority, around 40% of people, whilst the 60% majority not liking pop splits into even smaller pieces each relating to their own genres, so that none of the specialist styles are as popular as pop. I don't see there is evidence that eurodance declined in popularity as it may have been the previous pop that also wasn't popular since more people liked something else (but couldn't agree about what they liked). People who liked eurodance and made it popular in the early 90s may continue to like it into the late 90s and beyond but younger audiences come on stream - this doesn't show eurodance lost its audience after 1995.

In addition, regarding the comment earlier on this talk page, that claims Eurodance ceased to exist after 1995, I disagree because there are still Eurodance sounds and styles that continue to this day, whether popular or not, and Eurodance has therefore not ceased to exist and new songs in the Eurodance style continue outside of the mainstream. It is claimed that after 1995 it is not Eurodance and factual errors are claimed. However, whether Eurodance or its sound continued after 1995 is not a matter that can be determined by objective fact: it is subjective and based on taste. Some fans, including myself, will recognise music as being Eurodance produced after that date. I note the original post disagrees and claims a factual error. I complained a decade or so ago about an advert that listed various songs. It described them in various different genres and gave their decades (some of which were inaccurate) - I felt none of them were the genres claimed but that they were all pop music. I complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that the genres and some decades given were inaccurate - the Authority did not agree with me over the genres as it said whether the songs were jazz, soul, dance, rock or pop was a matter of subjective taste but did ask the advertiser to change the decades where they were inaccurate.

Therefore it is not factually inaccurate to have a Eurodance song in late 1990s - you may disagree it is Eurodance and see it as some other genre but to me and my tastes it may have the Eurodance sound and be Eurodance to me whether pop or some other form of dance, trance, tribal house or not. The matter of what genre songs are or how they sound is a matter of subjective taste and not an objective fact. As per Advertising Standards Authority on my complaint a while back. aspaa (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hands UP

Should some example songs not be listed here? Would the famous 'Sandstorm' by Darude count? 2001:1970:4000:D4:C906:45C2:74D:80BD (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

List of countries in origins section needs massive cleanup

The section should list a point of origin for a style, or multiple points of origin if the development was simultaneous in many different places (as with electro and techno), but it should not be a compilation of all countries who had their own eurodance musicians, or else we will end up listing every European country and Russia too (since the hit of ATC interpolates Ruki Vverkh, successful eurodance duo from Russia). 178.121.40.38 (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)