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Would appreciate it if someone could upload an image of the duo. Tauiwi09 (talk) 13:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find photo of the duo on commons and the photos I found on Flickr are copyrighted, though could ask permission of user for the article. Also am intending to rewrite this entire article and expand it where possible, just giving notice on that.

Thanks, --RavensFists (talk) 21:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Somebody revert this article somebody vandalized it.

Bandname origin

"The pair’s name comes from the 1984 novel of the same name by J. G. Ballard.[3]" - that's plain wrong.

Since Wikipedia's interface sucks as much as my english I will not edit the article by myself (limiting my contribution to this remark).

EOTS stated several times, that the name ist NOT derived from the novel/ movie. (They said it also during an interview on the german-french channel "arté", unfortunately that one is not available)

On Ireland's National Television: "Well, the name comes more from the idea of (and you'll see this in the ongoing videos) the fact that we're travelling around the world going to all the places of empires of the civilisation where the sun has been a theme of worship. It's not based on the Ballard novel nor the Spielberg film of the same name."

Source: http://www.rte.ie/arts/2009/0213/empireofthesun.html

Please delete the false statement from the article and replace it with a proper explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FuseNet (talk • contribs) 00:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Band image

This band has an extremely strange, unique image. It would be quite interesting to include a section on this, if the information could be found. I'll begin looking. Crawf279 (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Empire of the Sun (duo)

Hello Ss112. Do you think it'll be appropriate if this page is moved to Empire of the Sun (duo)? I think that because the word band is inappropriate for a two-persons musical act and duo is the more appropriate word. - TheMagnificentist (talk) 04:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't, as it's been that way for years and it would be a controversial move. Duos can still technically be bands; I've heard Twenty One Pilots referred to as a band and that's two people. You do not have to hunt around Wikipedia moving every group that is two people to "(duo)" if it's "(band)". Ss 112 04:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then. - TheMagnificentist (talk) 04:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 July 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved, per consensus here and also precedent set at Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band)#Requested move 28 July 2018 — Amakuru (talk) 19:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Empire of the Sun (band) → Empire of the Sun (duo) – Not a band per WP:BANDDAB. The editor whose username is Z0 17:14, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. bd2412 T 01:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is a duo of electronic musicians. They play electronic musical instruments. Chubbles (talk) 01:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." It does not deprecate the use of "(band)" in these cases. Dekimasuよ! 02:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the guidance on WP:BANDDAB says "Use either '(band)' or '(duo)' when the musical ensemble is a duet." Maybe we should remove the (duo) option as it adds nothing In ictu oculi (talk) 07:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - a band makes it more imprecise because there could be 2 to an infinite number of members whereas duo shows there is only 2 members in the group. A band is defined as "a group of instrumentalists playing music of a specialized type". This music group is a duo of electronic musicians who are not instrumentalists (players of a musical instrument). In popular culture, a band is typically a group of 4-5 people who sing, play the guitar, drums, bass, etc. Calling a group of 2 musicians a band is simply inaccurate and improper although literally they could fit the scope. @Chubbles: @Dekimasu: @In ictu oculi: please consider reconsidering. Not only (duo) makes it easier to categorize music groups consisting of 2 members, it also distinguishes electronic music groups from regular music groups. The editor whose username is Z0 08:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1) To this point, I think everyone has been fairly accepting of the fact that you filed 30 individual move requests instead of a multimove. However, please understand that it's annoying to get over 30 page notifications for the same comment–and then getting 30 edit conflicts after you edit the comment with the ping in it. If the issues at hand are the same, please pick one talk page and have the rest of the discussion there.

2) There is nothing inaccurate or improper about calling a band with two members a band. Musical ensemble#Two parts: "Examples of two-member bands are Japandroids, Local H, Pet Shop Boys, Hella, Flight of the Conchords, Death from Above 1979, Francis Xavier, I Set My Friends On Fire, Middle Class Rut, The Pity Party, Little Fish, The White Stripes, Big Business, Two Gallants, Lightning Bolt, The Ting Tings, The Black Box Revelation, Satyricon, The Black Keys, Tenacious D, Simon and Garfunkel, Hall & Oates, Johnossi, The Pack A.D., Air Supply and Royal Blood. When electronic sequencers became widely available in the 1980s, this made it easier for two-member bands to add in musical elements that the two band members were not able to perform. Sequencers allowed bands to pre-program some elements of their performance, such as an electronic drum part and a synth-bass line. Two-member pop music bands such as Soft Cell, Blancmange, Yazoo and Erasure used pre-programmed sequencers." In fact, this shows why it is easier to have two-person bands when electronic music is involved. As Chubbles stated, electronic music is music made using electronic musical instruments. It isn't necessary to require a band to be analog.

3) The proposal referenced a particular naming convention, but the moves do not follow from that naming convention. Dekimasuよ! 08:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Reply to Dekimasu: I'm not saying a two-member band is incorrect but it's just less preferred compared to duo. Musical ensemble#Two parts says two-member rock and pop bands are relatively rare and they are mostly rock and pop groups not electronic music duos that are the subjects of these move discussions. Wikipedia's preference is usually the one most commonly used. Bands play musical instruments unlike electronic musicians who use digital audio workstation (DAW) to produce their music. DAW is not a musical instrument but a computer software. As for the naming convention, it did say to use either "(band)" or "(duo)" when the musical ensemble is a duet, as in duo for the duet and band for others. That precisely supports my argument so I'm not sure why you said "the moves do not follow from that naming convention". The editor whose username is Z0 08:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the discussion for the general issue of whether electronic duos are accurately described as bands seems to be coalescing at Talk:The Ghost (Faroese band). Chubbles (talk) 10:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Dekimasu and In ictu oculi. We don't have to change every instance of "(band)" to "(duo)" where the band has two people in it just to be specific. Ss112 16:48, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (band) is already used to disambiguate this artist from other articles of similar name, there is no empirical necessity to change that to (duo): this grants no greater benefit. If it ain't broke don't fix it.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:52, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this is not a duet but a collaborative between two musicians. The recordings and live performances always involve a group of musicians are not limited to two artists. Renaming it to a duo doesn’t accurately reflect the nature of this band. Dan arndt (talk) 11:22, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)/Disambiguation#"band" preferred to "duo". Andrewa (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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