Talk:Emma Portner
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LGBT category
[edit]She is now with man, so she should be removed from LGBT categories, if she does not officially announce she is lesbian, or bisexual. This can be offensive to some people, include me.--78.102.53.207 (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- Someone's orientation does not change based on who they're in a relationship with. Also, Elliot Page has not said that he's a man, only that he's trans and uses he/they pronouns. Spock of Vulcan (talk) 21:46, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- Right, but now we have a bunch of unsourced categories on this page. StAnselm (talk) 01:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
So "he" is not a man, but we're all supposed to call "him" a him? If "he" doesn't claim to be a man, then what is he "trans-ing" into? A kangaroo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:74A5:8E56:5473:A6EA (talk) 20:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- We know now that he identifies as a man. Even if he didn't though, nonbinary people exist. 50.111.96.104 (talk) 04:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Inclusion of fact that Elliot Page is transgender?
[edit]This seems like it might be an area of contention. I noticed that @Vaselineeeeeeee previously reverted the same edit that I just made, so I thought I'd make a section to discuss it and reach a consensus. It's my understanding that articles are to focus on their subject area and nothing else. Including a sentence in Emma Portner's personal life section that just says her spouse came out as transgender doesn't seem necessary. Unless the sentence includes information about Portner's reaction to the announcement or her support for her spouse as he has undergone his transition or something like that, it's irrelevant. Unless I'm missing a rule that necessitates the inclusion of an explanatory sentence about Page coming out as transgender on his wife's Wikipedia article? TJScalzo (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- @TJScalzo: Portner married a woman at the time of her marriage. To write "Elliot" with no context seems as though Portner is heterosexual. Maybe a note is a better option. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 21:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- @TJScalzo and Vaselineeeeeeee: I've removed the note as WP:UNDUE weight. Just because someone has a masculine-sounding name doesn't mean a mention of them in relation to marriage needs a note. GreenComputer (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- @GreenComputer: If you say so. The reader, many of those who have no idea of her personal life, will have to click on Page's article to find that out and put two and two together. Seems very round-about. But I won't revert further so no worries. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- @GreenComputer: I think that makes the most sense. I wasn't sure what the exact Wikipedia policy was, but I felt like it wasn't needed within this context. There just isn't enough public information about Portner's relationship with Page beyond supportive comments on social media. TJScalzo (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- @TJScalzo and Vaselineeeeeeee: I've removed the note as WP:UNDUE weight. Just because someone has a masculine-sounding name doesn't mean a mention of them in relation to marriage needs a note. GreenComputer (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't particularly understand this. Article says "In January 2018, actor Elliot Page announced his marriage to Portner on an unspecified date"
This is simply false. Emma Portner married a woman called Ellen Page. Emma Portner is a lesbian. FerranValls (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- We do not use deadnames. Elliott Page is their name and as such, we refer to him as Elliott in this article and his own. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2020
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She was born on 26. Nov. 1994. Some of the sources: https://marriedbiography.com/emma-portner-biography/ https://www.listal.com/emma-portner https://www.dreshare.com/emma-portner/ Yearnst (talk) 05:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Done --TheImaCow (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
LGBT categories
[edit]I recognize that we make an effort not to deadname or misgender people, but it's absurd to suggest that we can no longer categorize someone who married a partner of the same sex as LGBT because that partner subsequently came out as genderqueer/trans. I suggest that we restore the LGBT categories, even if not the lesbian ones. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:08, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- Do you have a reliable source for the categories? StAnselm (talk) 02:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- By the way, there was already a discussion started on this above. StAnselm (talk) 02:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- @StAnselm: Porter has been very public about her marriage to a woman, and the article continues to note her marriage to Page, although Page came out as genderqueer after they were married. This is not some secret or scandal. I'm sure you could also google a source as to Porter's specific self-identification, but "very proudly and publicly in a same-sex marriage" is sufficient to categorize someone as LGBT. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Is that a quote from somewhere? We would need a reliable source that *Porter* considered it to be a same-sex marriage. StAnselm (talk) 18:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, now you're just trolling. Please stop, it's not funny and it's not respectful to the article subject or to the editors who are trying to contribute to the encyclopedia in good faith. Our guidelines exist to ensure that we refer to LGBT subjects respectfully, not as a figleaf of an excuse to disrespect their choice to come out publicly and shove them back in the closet.
- As for how to elaborate the article text, the easiest thing might just be to add "(who came out as trans in December 2020)" or something like that to the line about their marriage. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Is that a quote from somewhere? We would need a reliable source that *Porter* considered it to be a same-sex marriage. StAnselm (talk) 18:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Here is evidence that Portner does not now consider herself to be heterosexual, so back go the categories. It's about the 4th article on a Google search, not at all hard to find. Really, I do not think someone's spouse coming out as trans should lead us to make any assumptions that their own sexuality has changed. The burden of proof would be on whoever wanted to change the article in those situations. The Land (talk) 19:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I guess that's the source we're after, but I note she does say "I hope you know my sexual preferences and gender identity are none of your business." StAnselm (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- @StAnselm: Porter has been very public about her marriage to a woman, and the article continues to note her marriage to Page, although Page came out as genderqueer after they were married. This is not some secret or scandal. I'm sure you could also google a source as to Porter's specific self-identification, but "very proudly and publicly in a same-sex marriage" is sufficient to categorize someone as LGBT. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Birthdate
[edit]An editor falsely wrote in an edit summary here that the inclusion of a poorly cited birthdate was "per editrequest." There is no such edit request in the history of this page, and the cited source, MarriedBiography.com, is in no way, shape or form WP:RS for WP:BLP. I've restored RS-cited "Birth based on age as of date" template.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Something weird with one edit
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The edit I evidently made here — there's something wrong with it. First, I would never have summarily removed tags. Second, I did not write the two paragraphs beginning "In 2019, she was nominated for Arena Dance..." — those grafs are filled with non-encyclopedic tone and WP:PUFFERY, and anyone who knows my edits knows I do not write like that. Third, this edit removed the name of a newspaper from a citation — I would never remove the name of the source. I'm not saying I was hacked. But I genuinely have no idea about those three specific edits. My best guess is I copy-pasted part of an older version. But those three things I mention above, plus any weird odd or end I may have missed, are not me, and my apparently putting them in was accidental and inadvertent.--Tenebrae (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Here is your aggressive language: "Partial revert of Tenebrae's edit removing a bunch of sourced information without giving a reason." I did you give a reason: It was an accident. Look at my editing history: I don't add puffery. I would certainly never remove a newspaper name in a citation. Why are you being so relentlessly cruel? Why are you crucifying me? I didn't re-include those things because I thought User:Praxidicae did. Jesus...just stop! You're making me take Ativan. You're just lashing at out me over and over and over. I must have copy-pasted something accidentally. It was an accident. I came right here and acknowledged it. What else am I supposed to do. Please just stop!--Tenebrae (talk) 00:54, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Who did she marry?
[edit]Ellen Page or Elliot Page? Which name is on her marriage certificate? 120.21.218.131 (talk) 15:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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