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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
If we are going to disambiguate further, we would want to just drop "industrialist", since it could be more succinctly described as Eli Lilly (born 1885) and Eli Lilly (born 1838), per WP:TITLEDAB. However, I still think "Jr." makes a lot more sense since WP:NATURAL states it is fine to use a less common but still used alternative name for the subject, and there is strong reasons not to use birth year as a disambiguator per WP:NCPDAB which states "Years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators, as readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it." Using the Jr. is a more natural solution that reduces the clunky parentheticals. --Cerebral726 (talk) 13:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Although WP:TITLEDAB does advise the use of succinct parenthetical qualifiers, dropping "industrialist" would indeed run contrary to WP:NCPDAB, thus "industrialist" or a similar term, such as "manufacturer", is certainly needed in addition to the birth year. A glance at any dab page which has name entries that require this type of disambiguation will confirm the point. In the case at hand, leaving the 19th-century grandfather Eli Lilly as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Eli Lilly (disambiguation) and indicating the lesser-used form "Eli Lilly Jr." for his better-known grandson, does not seem to be the most intuitive resolution. —Roman Spinner(talk • contribs)15:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're totally write about WP:NCPDAB, my mistake. I disagree about the "Jr". not being a better solution than a (in my opinion) long parenthetical, but I appreciate the kind response to me being wrong about the policy regarding the use of industrialist. --Cerebral726 (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also appreciate your kind reply and, since requested moves are consensus-based, other editors may ultimately decide that your nomination represents the better proposal. —Roman Spinner(talk • contribs)15:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NATURALUsing an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Since his grandfather Eli Lillyis appears to be (is he?) the primary topic, and (industrialist) does not really disambiguate from his grandfather, we need something else. I can find multiple examples of Eli Lilly Jr. in the books. No such user (talk) 12:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We don't generally, but don't you think it's silly to include "industrialist" to the only two people we need to distinguish? It's WP:CONSISTENCY gone wild, and I'm strongly opposing such solution. No such user (talk) 18:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
