Talk:Electric organ (fish)/Archive 1

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Requested move

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The result of the debate was move to Electric organ. Joelito (talk) 23:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Electric Organ → Electric organ … Rationale: Capitalization … —Brim 02:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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• Support Original nomination. —Brim 02:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support Manifestly right; but please rewrite this incoherent stub. Septentrionalis 15:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support and second the request above to make article coherent. HGB 00:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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History -- suggest it should begin with Galvani and Volta

The history of the electric organ should begin in the late 18th century, before Darwin. I believe both Galvani and Volta were familiar with electric fishes, and their anatomy was part of the inspiration for the voltaic pile in 1800. Electric fishes figured in the controversy between these scientists over whether electricity was produced by muscles, or merely caused muscles to contract. Since the correct answer is "both", it was no wonder these guys were confused at first. See the historical discussion of Galvani and Volta in [1]CharlesHBennett (talk) 09:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC) A better reference for Galvani and Volta: Alexander Mauro, "The role of the voltaic pile in the Galvani-Volta controversy concerning animal vs. metallic electricity" in Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences, volume XXIV, number 2, April, 1969 available online at jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/XXIV/2/140.pdf

Rewrite urgently needed

The article is currently in a very bad state. There are multiple factual errors and important omissions. Anyone watching this page please chip in. Need help for the structuring and prose too. Staticd (talk) 05:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Not much has changed - what are the remaining errors & omissions ? - Rod57 (talk) 12:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Why described as like muscle cells rather than like neurons

The electrical charging and discharge seems more like neurons. Please explain. - Rod57 (talk) 12:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

AC? DC?

AC? DC? Also add a 'circuit diagram', showing the flow from anode to cathode, through the victim. Jidanni (talk) 14:31, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

DC - Rod57 (talk) 12:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Need detail on how the electrocyte voltages get added

Need detail on structure of cell and gap to explain why/how the 2 ends have different voltages, and does the triggering change something within the cells, or in the gaps ? - Rod57 (talk) 12:18, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 9 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: move to electric organ (biology) and convert electric organ to a DAB. It was mentioned that there are some naming concerns with electronic organ, so I will start a separate RM to consider a potential rename (since no consensus was reached, and was not really in the original scope of this RM). Primefac (talk) 19:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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Electric organ → Electric organ (biology) – I'm not sure that this article is the primary topic for "electric organ". The musical instrument class also described as an "electric organ" is covered at electronic organ, but calling something like a Hammond organ an "electronic organ" is factually wrong (as the tone is generated by moving parts, not electronics) and I've found at least one instance where putting a redirect to [[electronic organ|electric organ]] (and variations thereof) has confused people. I think it would be better for this article to be reappropriated as a disambiguation page - at least then when somebody links to "electric organ" by accident, they will get a message from DPL Bot as opposed to mistakenly linking to an article on fish from a musical instrument page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• I believe the correct thing here is to support this move, but I see why the articles are titled as they are. WP:NATURALDAB says to use alternate names where possible instead of (parenthetical) disambiguation. Are you suggesting that electronic organ be moved here, to the base name, or to make this a DAB and move electronic organ to electric organ (music) or somesuch? Laurdecl ^talk 09:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

• Support moving the fish organ and recasting this title as a DAB page. The majority of incoming links are music related and should not be pointing here. Plantdrew (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support move and disambiguation. This is pretty much the same situation as Organ. bd2412 T 01:21, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support and redirect Electric organ to Electronic organ. Clear primary topic. Probably the latter should be moved to the former. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
• No primary topic, make a dab page. The electric organ includes the pipe organ with an electrically powered pneumatic pump, instead of hand pumped, and this electric organic is not electronic. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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