Talk:Eldred Kurtz Means

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Did you know... that author Eldred Kurtz Means originated the refrain: "if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all"?

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 12:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Source: "E. K. Means – Quote Investigator".
- ALT1:... that author Eldred Kurtz Means originated the phrase: 'if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all'? Source: Id.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/René Küss

Created by FloridaArmy (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Interesting life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. ALT1 is ok, but can we perhaps say something about his specialty? In ALT1, how about "coined" vs. "originated"? I was surprised to read "white" as the first thing about him in the lead, understood with more context, but can it come later, perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would help to supply links to the places where he worked. Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Eldred Kurtz Means to Ebony Film Corporation, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:35, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Eldred Kurtz Means to Argosy (magazine), See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:49, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Eldred Kurtz Means to E. W. Kemble, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Edward Winsor Kemble to Eldred Kurtz Means, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution

Text and references copied from Edward Kurtz Means to Munsey's Magazine. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obituary needed

There has got to be something out there. Would be a useful source. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"African" characters?

Is this supposed to mean African-American/Black? Why would Africans be in Louisiana?96.240.128.124 (talk) 04:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

not aged well?

Intro paragraph: ".. but the implicit racist message has not aged well." This is mealy mouthed. By today's standards it is abhorrently racist. Can we say it like it is.

front page statement on this racist...

"that author Eldred Kurtz Means originated the refrain: "if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all"?"

should read:

"giant racist Eldred Kurtz Means was a terrible person who should be known as a racist!"

? 82.9.104.192 (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPOV. The content is what it is, and fairly describes the subject. You can, and have, draw your own conclusion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:53, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If it wasn't for bad luck..

I'm not seeing "His story "At the End of the Rope" contains the earliest known usage of the saying: If it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all." in the entry. It was included in the DYK and then removed for its source being unreliable? Is there a reliable source to establish whether this is true or not? FloridaArmy (talk) 13:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Public addresses

I was working on Draft:Herman Hine Brinsmade and he seems to have filed a 1957 copyright for the book Sunset Gun; the public addresses of Eldred K. Means published by Comic Press Books per here. It also makes me wonder what Sunset Gun refers to. Is it something like sunset town? FloridaArmy (talk) 13:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]