Talk:Egor Kuroptev

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Reverting criticism

Dear @Grakov, Please open a discussion before removing sourced criticism from the article about the politician. Deleting content without prior discussion is unacceptable, see WP:BRD. The removed text is based on reliable sources and does not violate WP:RS or WP:SOAPBOX. The previous version of the article, however, may violate these guidelines, as it lacks criticism and reads like an advertisement. If you believe that the existing information in the lead section is more important, please explain your reasoning on the talk page, and let's find a way to present all viewpoints neutrally. Remember that Wikipedia strives for neutrality, see WP:NPOV. I would also like to point out that Yegor Kuroptev is not mentioned in any major international media outlet in connection with any topic other than the Factory of Elves. Therefore, I insist that this is the primary notable information about him and should be included in the lead section. Unxed (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting content without prior discussion is unacceptable, see WP:BRD.

You might notice that it is called "Bold, revert, discuss", not "Bold, discuss, revert". While I don't have any opinion on the underlying content dispute, the WP:ONUS is on the person who added the material first, in this case you. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Grakov, Please open a discussion before removing sourced criticism from the article about the politician.

As it was mentioned by some users on your application to administrators in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Possible sockpuppetry and promotional editing by suspected SPA, I pointed to a specific problem with your contribution, so it's your duty to start discussion, if you want to discuss it.

Let's start with the fact that you originally added block with this info to the header of the article in a crooked way, inserting it right after the first paragraph (to make place it to the top of the article), and breaking the existing info chronology.

Is there really any reason to question about your WP:FAITH and you're violating WP:SOAPBOX?

Not to mention the fact that you dragged a rather large text into a short summary, some of which is copied from the Elf Factory article.

Also there are no mentions about Egor Kuroptev role in the Elf Farm project in the used by you references, so this is WP:NOR.

More over, currently I returned proposed by your information to the article, to fix the problem I pointed out to you. Grakov (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. You will hardly find a single mention of Egor Kuroptev in reputable international media that is not related to the Elf Factory. Information about all his other projects is mostly based on broken links or links to the websites of these very projects. "Notable work" has two sources: one is the broken link, two is local Georgian web site, nothing like Deutche Well or other international-known medias. The entire article is self advertisement. At the same time The Elf Factory is Egor's most famous project, which is why information about it should be placed at the beginning of the article.

2. What do you mean by "messing it up with two accounts"? I have only one account, Unxed

3. The link to WP:NOR regarding content that exactly matches the sources is unclear to me. Let's take a closer look at what you consider original research here? The Factory did not exist? Kuroptev did not run it? Hired people did not write comments from fake accounts? All of these facts are confirmed by sources. If you doubt specific statements, let's discuss them!

4. You delete content related to criticism of Kuroptev and his projects, also from other pages, and also without discussion. In particular, you deleted information from the Elf Factory page. Information that was definitely in the source, details on the discussion page. Please stop deleting criticism.

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Elf_Farm&diff=1244651282&oldid=1244641002

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Elf_Farm Unxed (talk) 16:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]