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November 28, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

New photo

Anyone care to volunteer a picture of the stadium with the new stand for the main photo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.152.235 (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

This article needs a major rewrite. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ExcelExcel (talk • contribs)

I've had a stab at making it meet the Manual of Style. We need a PD or GFDL photo to go in the stadium template. What do we think? Budgiekiller 11:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Easter Egg"

I have never heard or read Easter Road referred to as this. Is this a proper nickname? 212.113.23.124 12:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Methinks this may be another little joke from our Jambo cousins. ExcelExcel

I don't think I've ever heard or read a Jambo use that phrase either. "Fester Road" is a phrase more commonly used by them. 212.113.23.124 13:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Capacity of Easter Road?

17,500 is the figure most commonly used in association with the capacity of Easter Road. I note that the figure on the Hibernian page has been changed to 16,877. Many Hibs fans have questioned on message boards (eg [1]) why the attendance has rarely been above 16,500 in recent times when there have been several sellouts. What is the correct capacity? 82.41.202.199 23:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The attendance for the Hibs vs Rangers game at the end of the 2004-05 season (when Hibs qualified for Europe and Rangers won the title) was 17,450[2], so the capasity has to be at least that. Agflepsr10 22:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Arsenikk (talk · contribs) 22:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Easter Road old.jpg nees a fair use rationale for this article. Also, what year is the image? If it is old enough, it may be in the public domain.
- It needs a fair use rationale because it only dates from the 1950s. I have removed the image from the Hibs article and replaced the rationale with one for the Easter Road article. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 23:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get the sentence "Both stands also have a cutaway section in the upper deck in order to keep within the boundaries of the site."
- I have tried to rephrase this. What it basically means is that if you look a picture of either end stand (e.g. the picture in the infobox), neither of them are fully rectangular (which is quite unusual). This is because a fully rectangular stand at either end would have overhung land belonging to other parties, which would have caused planning problems. So instead the stands were designed with an upper deck that cuts in towards the centre. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 23:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The bus map ref is dead.
- Fixed. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 23:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did a few copyedits, mostly MOS issues.

Pretty much a good article. Fix the minor issues above, and I'll pass the article. Arsenikk ^(talk) 22:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations with a good article Arsenikk ^(talk) 23:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the change I made to the transport time reverted?

I made a change on 27 October 2013 to include a more accurate time about the time taken to walk from Waverly to the stadium, and without any comments, the change was undid.

Anyone who's done the walk knows that it is definitely not approximately 20 minutes, and this was also backed up by a Google Maps citation including the time.

Any comments would be appreciated, cheers!

Nicknames

I'm not entirely happy with the prominence given to nicknames such as "the Holy Ground" or "Leith San Siro" in the article, both of which appear in the lead section and infobox. Although these are sourced, so clearly have been applied to Easter Road by someone at some point, these are poetic and jokey affectations respectively, rather than anything the ground would ever be referred to on an everyday basis (in the way Celtic Park is often referred to as Parkhead, for example). I'm not proposing to remove them from the article, but I think they belong further down the page and much less prominently. Jellyman (talk) 11:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 April 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved b uidhe 23:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Easter Road Stadium → Easter Road – Simply "Easter Road" is the common name of the stadium. It has about 286,000 results on a google search, compared to about 55,000 for "Easter Road Stadium". This is similar to the way that the Liverpool F.C. ground is located at "Anfield", rather than "Anfield Stadium". Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BD2412 T 21:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 11:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Giant Snowman 11:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. The football stadium is also the primary topic. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "Easter Road" is certainly the stadium's common name, but it's also the common name of Easter Road (street) and other things. That doesn't entitle either topic to be located at the base name. This RM hinges on the question of whether the stadium is the primary topic. We're already getting bad wikilinks such as 1 2 3. Certes (talk) 12:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing the issue of primary topic, the only "Easter Road"s are the stadium, the street, and a closed railway station. There are a lot of google search results for the street, but these mainly seem to relate to properties for sale or rent (as you would expect). Trying to assess this objectively is difficult, but I think the stadium is the primary topic. The street isn't even the main street in that part of the city (Leith Walk is). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The official website calls it Easter Road Stadium. Interestingly enough, its street address is 12 Albion Place, not Easter Road. Sure, the stadium is the primary topic for sports, but the road is primary topic for real estate and homes of notable people. Football is a very notable and highly-covered encyclopedic topic (on Wikipedia, anyway) but Wikipedia is not just a sports encyclopedia, it's a general encyclopedia. The mislinks shown by Certes show the need to bite the bullet and fix this. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First point - nobody is claiming that the official name of the stadium is Easter Road, it's what the common name is that matters. Your second point is pedantic and irrelevant - the street address is different because the stadium isn't physically on Easter Road. The need to fix article targets is irrelevant; we don't change article titles just because of a few errant edits to other articles. You changed the target of "Easter Road" to a disambiguation page, which caused far more mistaken links. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the official name of the stadium is a commonly recognizable name. "Although official names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred." Generally, as in when there is no conflict with other topics. When there is a conflict, the official name is usually a good means of disambiguation; I think the current title is better than Easter Road (stadium). The problem is that reliable sources will mostly be reports on matches or events there where the meaning is clear, so "Stadium" is redundant. Wembley is a town, not a stadium, though I'd say most Americans would think stadium, not town, when they hear the name – I'd guess that lots of sports reports simply say the match was played at "Wembley", thus that's the common name. Sorry you took my aside about Albion Place as a pedantic point #2 as that wasn't intended to be a serious point – but, heh, if they named their stadium Albion Place we wouldn't have this problem! – wbm1058 (talk) 01:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just another observation – Easter Road (street) is one of ~18 notable streets listed on Template:Transport in Edinburgh, and the only one requiring disambiguation that isn't disambiguated in the usual way: Easter Road, Edinburgh. But I see that was moved, giving the example set by Anfield as the rationale. What makes Anfield less notable than Wembley? Population 14,000 vs. 100,000? Stadium is primary when its seating capacity exceeds the population of the town it's named after? wbm1058 (talk) 02:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the difference with Wembley Stadium is that it was never called simply "Wembley", but it was always called a stadium. When the original ground on that site was built in the 1920s, it was known as the Empire Exhibition Stadium and then "Empire Stadium", and only became commonly known as Wembley Stadium after the British Empire was dissolved in the 1960s. Programmes for the annual England v Scotland match show this evolution. e.g. 1967 uses both "Wembley" and "Empire Stadium" to describe the ground on its cover, but by 1975 it is just simply "Wembley Stadium". Anfield (and Easter Road) was always known as such. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

White Hart Lane is another example of a stadium named for a street, but as White Hart Lane (disambiguation) shows, the road in Tottenham isn't independently notable. Just looking at one randomly chosen reference, "Which Wembley records could Tottenham break this season?", the word "stadium" appears six times in that article, all lower case – so no proper name "Wembley Stadium" in the article, just "game at Wembley", "under Wembley's arch", "Tottenham used Wembley for", "familiarise themselves with Wembley's 105m x 68m pitch", "The new Wembley was opened"... when the word stadium is used, it's to describe it as "the national stadium". Seems to me based on that, "Wembley" is a common name.

Anyways we need to have a clear consensus here to keep the current title. If y'all aren't convinced and there's "no consensus" this will revert back to the longstanding title. Which would save someone a lot of work as hundreds of links will need disambiguation. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) Another analogy is Carrow Road, which appears to be officially known as "Carrow Road Stadium". The difference there is that Carrow Road (the street) doesn't have a wiki article. There are loads of grounds in the UK that are named after streets, roads and lanes (e.g. Maine Road, Bramall Lane, Vicarage Road). The best analogy is maybe Filbert Street (Leicester City's old ground), as there is a Filbert Street in San Francisco with a wiki article. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 20:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Only ever heard it referred to as Easter Road, and I believe it is also the primary topic for that name. Number 5 7 00:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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