Talk:E (New York City Subway service)

Description and icon for service at Briarwood and 75th Avenue is incorrect

According to the MTA website, E train stops at Briarwood and 75th avenue on evenings, late nights, and weekends. There doesn't seem to be a special icon for this. I'm not sure why the person who created the icons chose the white circle with black border to mean weekdays only, because the MTA uses this to mean "something else" then gives a description. A possibility is to make a new icon to handle this "unknown" case, perhaps a white circle with an X through it. In any case, until that gets decided I will be adding to the Notes section. Modalduality —Preceding undated comment added 05:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

E train on IND Sixth Avenue Line

On Labor Day of this year I took an E train from 59th Street–Columbus Circle to 34th Street-Herald Square. Is this as anomalous as I think it is? If it's a holiday schedule, this article doesn't mention it (I would have looked on the map/schedule, but at every station where I asked, they were out of them). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

It is not uncommon for trains to be rerouted between the 6th and 8th avenue lines when there is a problem or track maintenance on the tracks the trains would normally use. Rlendog (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

I suggest that this article is to be semi-protected for at least a week because 69.122.92.181 is constantly reverting an edit of mine that is true. ManofQueens (talk) 13:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Not only 69.122.92.181 and not only reverting. They are also explaining why. Vcohen (talk) 14:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

But the reason that they did is stupid. The edit that I made is true. The E service is the only B Division route to not enter Brooklyn. ManofQueens (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

And I did explain why. I saw what happened to 24.193.156.117, and I don't want to end up like him. ManofQueens (talk) 15:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

What happened to 24.193.156.117? He didn't know the rules of wikipedia, now he knows them. I wish the same to you too. Vcohen (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, I saw his recent work at the talk pages for R62/R62A, and it looks harsh... ManofQueens (talk) 16:54, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

But my edit was true! There are no stops for the E in Brooklyn! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManofQueens (talk • contribs) 17:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

User:ManofQueens, just because a piece of information is true does not necessarily mean it is worth putting on Wikipedia. Everything you put is trivial junk that very few people would be interested in, not recommended under WP:TRIVIA and WP:FANCRUFT. Ask someone on the street if they know what a "B" Division train is and they won't have a clue. Here is some other trivial information about the subway that are all true:

1. The Q is the only train that stops at a station on weekdays, but skips it on nights and weekends (49th Street). Usually, it is the other way around as most express trains operate local on nights and weekends.
2. The 7 and L are the only trains that run solo on the entire route.
3. The 4 and B are the only express trains that terminate at a station before their local counterparts. Usually, it is the other way around (local trains terminate at a stop in the middle of the line while express trains continue to the end) to balance ridership.
4. The 4 is the only train that has a longer route during late night hours than during the day. Most trains have shorter routes during overnight hours, some even run as shuttles.
5. The C is the only local train that has an express train (A) running alongside it for its entire route. In fact, up until 2005, the A and C trains were one article.
6. The BMT Brighton Line is the only outdoor line in southern Brooklyn with express service.
7. On the IND Queens Boulevard Line, the F train runs express west of and local east of Forest Hills - 71st Avenue at all times while the E runs express on the entire line on weekdays, express west of and local east of Forest Hills - 71st Avenue on evenings and weekends, and local on the entire line during overnight hours. This gives the idea of reverse psychology since east of Forest Hills, the E is express and F is local on weekdays, but late nights, it is the opposite west of Forest Hills.
8. The IRT Flushing Line is the only "A" Division Line that does not run north-south in Manhattan.
9. The Bronx has no four-track lines.
10. Prospect Park is the only station where one of the local tracks is not used in revenue service. Many stations and lines have express tracks that are not used in service.

Are any of this stuff worth putting on the articles? No because no one notices and no one cares. This is an encyclopedia for ordinary people, not a fan site for railfans to show their knowledge of the system. Go create your own transit wiki for that. Also, we are not a travel guide, so I removed the statement from the 1 and A train articles about transfers. Let maps and brochures do that. 24.146.226.25 (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Then why do we have a trivia fact on our Article for the G and 7? maybe I should go remove that now, considering that nobody cares... ManofQueens (talk) 17:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

How About Ridership Info?

I'm interested in learning more about the E line's ridership—how many passengers it carries on an average day and in an average year, how close to capacity it currently runs, where it draws most of its passengers from and where most of them are going, etc. I read some time ago that the E line is one of the most crowded, if not the most crowded, lines in the city; and that it is at or near capacity in terms of the length and number of trains it can carry during peak service. I would like to see that kind of information in this article, along with the causes behind the situation, and the MTA's plans, if any, for relieving the overcrowding. I believe these conditions and their solutions are long-term phenomena, and not merely current events of only transient interest; so I think they should be covered in this article. (Needless to say, I believe the same kind of information belongs in the articles on the other NYC subway lines; but I'm particularly interested in the E, because I ride it every day.) J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 20:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 01:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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@Epicgenius: yeet –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Pre-prose review comments

• The bolding of every instance of a train's alphabetic name is not sanctioned by the Manual of Style; strip it out.
• The train bullets should be thumbed, and labeled.
  • @Vami IV: Done.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• Citation Needed tags need to be resolved.
  • @Vami IV: Done.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• Make the stations table collapsible.
  • @Vami IV: Done.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• Citations [36] and [41] are missing their URLs, and [42] has a error in its date parameter.
  • The first, second, and fourth points would apply to other subway services' articles as well. I can try doing the first and fourth, but the second has been historically controversial in the past, I think. epicgenius (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
    • I did the first and fourth points. epicgenius (talk) 16:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
      • Marked off accordingly. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 16:43, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
        • 36 and 41 are the same source and are not online. That point is done. [42] has an error as the journal cited was for both January and February, not just one month. I am not sure how to deal with that.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
  • @Vami IV: All remaining issues have been addressed.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Kew Gardens 613: Thanks for adding the citations, I really appreciate them. Just a note that you pinged Vami four times by adding four ping templates, and in the future, one ping should be enough. epicgenius (talk) 01:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
      • @Epicgenius: I didn't realize that they resulted in four separate pings, as opposed to one for the edit. I will take note.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• Would it be possible to talk about the bullet somewhere else? Maybe the "Route" section?
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
• Footnotes A and B would be best in "Route", too, along with a discussion of that route.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

History

• Almost every paragraph in this section starts with WP:PROSELINE.
  • Did the changes I made help?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
    • No; do the opposite of that. Have less sentences starting with a date. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 20:31, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
      • @Vami IV: I did reduce the number of sentences starting with a date.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 11:06, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• [...] World Trade Center (formerly known as Hudson Terminal). Delete the parenthesized text.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Vami IV: I disagree with your addition of "the" before E service. New Yorkers and the MTA refer to it as E train, E route, or E service. Announcements might say "E trains are not running between...", not "The E trains are not running..."--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
    • Feel free to remove them. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 16:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Issues

• As a result, Delete or replace with something else. The efforts to quell overcrowding are not necessarily a result since they are themselves actions taken to address a result.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
• [...] due to a 1975–1976 New York City fiscal crisis, [...] The 1975–1976 New York City fiscal crisis.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
• To further increase capacity, as part of the MTA's 2010–2014 Capital Program, the MTA is equipping [...] Is equipping? This was 5-6 years ago; have they finished?
  • Projects from capital programs regularly stretch years beyond their end dates, and the installation is ongoing.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
• [...] which will allow for three more trains during peak hours on the Queens Boulevard express tracks (it currently runs 29 tph). This will also increase capacity on the local tracks of the IND Queens Boulevard Line. More present-tense.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
• Can "Homelessness" get a general rewrite? Try shortening the first sentence to For several decades, the E has hosted a large population of homeless people and has been nicked the "Homeless Express"., then elaborating why. If there's more to add to the section, I think it should be added, because the section feels a bit barren.
  • There is not much more I can add, but I can look around some more.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Route

• Why is the only mention to this line's rolling stock in the infobox?
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
• Footnotes A and B still have no citations.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
• Could you make the tables under this section autocollapsed? They're rather large and a pain to scroll past.
  • @Vami IV:  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

GA progress

No disambiguation links present. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 17:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Pictures are free/tagged and relevant to the article. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 17:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

References are reliable. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 17:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

• • @Vami IV: I also added a section on overcrowding and homelessness to provide a more complete coverage of the subject. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC) --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the New York City Subway's E train has been nicknamed the "Homeless Express" due to its large population of homeless people? Source: NY Times 1988
  • ALT1:... that automated trains are being implemented to relieve overcrowding on the E train, one of the most crowded services in the New York City Subway system? Source: Railway Age, NY Times 2017

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Procuratie
• Comment: More hooks later

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 17:03, 27 July 2020 (UTC).

• Article was promoted to GA status, is over the required prose size and has no copyvio concerns. The link provided here doesn't show the "Homeless Express" name, but ref 99 does in the text. Hooks are interesting and have inline citations to reliable sources. QPQ provided, good to go. Kosack (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)