Talk:Duo Yun Xuan

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because the Duo Yun Xuan is as important as Rong Bao Zhai. Duo Yun Xuan and Rong Bao Zhai are equivalent to Sotheby's and Christie's in the West. Please review the references below:

1. China's commerce department has identified the Duo Yun Xuan as the first auction companies established and the time-honored brand in Chinese mainland.
2. Artnet, an international professional art website, introduces the Duo Yun Xuan;
3. The Duo Yun Xuan is introduced in the Encyclopedia of China.

So this article should be remained. --Jujiang (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

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Duo Yun Xuan located in Nanjing East Road in Shanghai

• ... that Duo Yun Xuan (example pictured) is the first art institution with auction function established on the Chinese mainland? Source: The Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China

Created by Jujiang (talk), modified by Onel5969 and Mx. Granger. Self-nominated (Jujiang) at 16:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

• This article was created on November 10. To qualify as a new article per DYK rules, it should have been nominated within 7 days of creation. As it is the nomination was made over 6 weeks later, so we can't accept it at this time. If the article is brought to GA status, it could be nominated again—within 7 days of receiving the GA. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, the article was created as a draft, then moved to article space. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

• You are right; I misread the history. Here is a full review:
• New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As all sources are foreign-language, unable to check for close paraphrasing. However, I am unsure of the grammar in several places. I added the first sentence calling it an art institution, but maybe a better description would be an art auction house? This would replace auction company elsewhere in the article. Footnote 1 is a dead link. Under "Contribution and influence", what does established on the basis of mean? Was it modeled after Duo Yun Xuan? Please add an inline cite to each of these sentences:
• In 1993, Duo Yun Xuan held its first art auction, which was also the first art auction in Mainland China.
• In 2006, Duo Yun Xuan was recognized as the first batch of "Chinese Time-honored" enterprises by the Ministry of Commerce.
• In 2006, the woodblock watermarking technique inherited by Duo Yun Xuan was listed as Shanghai Intangible Cultural Heritage.
• What is a national demonstration base? Should this be in quotes?
• The hook is okay; foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. It does seem a little wordy; why do we have to know it was "identified"? Why can't we just say:
• ALT1a ... that Duo Yun Xuan is the first art company including auction functions established on the Chinese mainland? Source: The Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China
• The image is freely licensed. It is pretty, but it doesn't do anything for the hook; it looks like the heart of the entertainment district or something.
• No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thank you @Mandarax and Yoninah:The question has been changed to ALT1a. Duo Yun Xuan is really located in the famous entertainment center of Nanjing East Road in Shanghai. I made some improvements to the article. Thanks. Best. --Jujiang (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. But I have no idea what an art institution with auction function is. The article is still calling it the first batch; how is an auction house a batch? Perhaps you can find translation help at WikiProject China or WP:GOCE. BTW we refer to the alts as "hooks", not "questions". Yoninah (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 14:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Jujiang: Sorry, but you're calling it an art company (whatever that is) in one place and an art institution with auction function in other places. It would be helpful to know what the Ministry of Commerce is calling it on its website. It seems like you are not completely familiar with English grammar, so it would be a good idea to get copyediting help at WP:GOCE. Yoninah (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Done Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Jujiang: I don't think you understand what I'm asking for. Please show this to a native English speaker. Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Could you please make some minor changes to the article if there is no big problem and no trouble? Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• I could, but I need a translation of the Chinese sources. I will try to look at this again when I have more time. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Is there a problem with DYK? Could you please make minor change for it? After all, this is not the selection of GA. This China's first auction company deserves to be known to more people. Thanks. --Jujiang (talk) 03:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks for the ping. I'll try to get to it today. Yoninah (talk) 12:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• I see I have no patience for reading Chinese sources in Google Translate and trying to figure out what you're trying to say here. If you cannot find a Chinese-speaking editor to help you improve this article for a main-page appearance on the English Wikipedia, we'll have to close it as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I've dropped a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_China#Translation_request_for_DYK. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

"1992年，朵云轩注册成立中国大陆第一家艺术品拍卖公司，1993年，朵云轩敲响中国大陆艺术品拍卖第一槌" Roughly: "In 1992, Duo Yun Xuan registered and established the first art auction company in mainland China. In 1993, Duo Yun Xuan sounded the gavel of mainland China's first art auction." For the DYK hook, maybe "... that Duo Yun Xuan held the first art auction on the Chinese mainland?"

(Marking as ALT2) Edge3 (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

I will try to copyedit the article later today. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. @Yoninah: Thoughts? —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mx. Granger: Thank you. Your Chinese is awesome! 您的中文真棒！ --Jujiang (talk) 00:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah: What you think of it now? Thanks. --Jujiang (talk) 16:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah:&@ProcrastinatingReader:Google translate is bad to translate Chinese to English. Please use Deepl to translate Chinese text.--波斯波莉斯 (talk) 06:39, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi there. Yoninah has not edited since 18 January, so I'm going to take over the review. I will post my comments shortly. Edge3 (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Approve ALT2. I've copyedited the article a bit more, and I think it reads much better now. I also checked the source, translated to English thanks to Google Translate and Mx. Granger, above. All other information cited to Chinese-language sources accepted in good faith and spot-checked using Google Translate. Thanks to all who were involved in this nomination. Edge3 (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Photo is declined for this nomination, since it's just a photo of the street the company is located on, rather than the company itself. Edge3 (talk) 05:27, 2 February 2021 (UTC)