Talk:Dune (mathematics software)

On 20 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Dune (software) to Dune (mathematics software). The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 20 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 04:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dune (software) → Dune (mathematics software) – WP:PRECISE/WP:AT ambiguous disambiguation is a bad idea. Dune (video game) is a piece of software. The current title should point to Dune (disambiguation) which lists various software -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 09:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion from RMTR:

The proposed title's disambiguator does not seem WP:PRECISE at all. Steel1943 (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Is this even notable? Assuming it is I agree it should be renamed but would prefer the simpler Dune (mathematics software) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
I am fine with Dune (mathematics software) ; I am the nominator -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 20:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't see this as ambiguous, and the current title is correct per WP:NCVG. 162 etc. (talk) 16:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
NCVG has nothing to do with this, since it isn't a videogame. However, both this and the videogame are software, and that is ambiguous. Thus does not conform with WP:AT. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 20:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the NCVG naming convention is for the other article.

I'll note that "Dune" is an acronym (Distributed and Unified Numerics Environment), and DUNE (software) is the better title here. 162 etc. (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Given that Dune (video game)'s logo stylizes it in all caps, DUNE (software) is still ambiguous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I started the RMTR to move it to the PDE title. I participated in the RMTR discussion. I support the amended title suggestion Dune (mathematics software) as formulated by Pppery -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unecessary WP:OVERPRECISION. Although video games are technically software, they are usually thought of as video games, not software, and are disambiguated using "(video game)" per WP:NCVG. The video game is averaging over 1,000 hits per day, compared to 5 for this software, so few if any readers are getting lost.[1] At most, just stick a hatnote on this article pointing directly to the video game. Station1 (talk) 03:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not overprecision if both are literally software, so it is actually underprecision. As you pointed out, this isn't even the most popular piece of software with an article on Wikipedia, thus it already fails WP:PDAB. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's overprecision to say "mathematics software" when just "software" will do. And "software" will do because virtually no one searching for the video game will do so by typing "Dune (software)". They'll search for "Dune (video game)" or, more likely, just "Dune". Station1 (talk) 07:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is ambiguous, since both are software, thus it fails overprecision WP:PRECISE. It fails PDAB, because it is not the most popopular or most accessed topic on Wikipedia that is a piece of software (from your own usage stats). It fails WP:DAB because it is not unambiguous. Thus it fails WP:ARTICLETITLES. We should not force ambiguity into naming just to want ambiguous conciseness instead of actual unambiguity. That only happens with PDAB and PRIMARYTOPIC situtations, where this topic already fails the test. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One would also not call this piece of software "software" normally, since you'd probably call it a library, just as the game software would more frequently be called a videogame -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 08:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, in the interests of maximizing clarity for the reader. BD2412 T 23:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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