Talk:Dr Disrespect/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Awards

In awards section, the 1993 and 1994 awards are self reported by Beahm. No independent secondary source has been found yet. Unoc (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this is because he's acting. Making outrageous claims is part of his character. I went ahead and removed the awards. By the way, there was no 1993 Blockbuster World Championships. Look up "Did Dr Disrespect Win the Blockbuster Video Game Championships? - Tales From the Internet" on YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.77.44 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Name

If this article is kept, then we do need to discuss the article name. I cannot remember where I saw the exact policy or guideline, but I believe it stated that we should not have honorifics in the title, especially if they are false. Tutelary (talk) 04:57, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

The article title "Dr DisRespect" makes sense per MOS:AT. It's how he's known professionally, similar to how we use Dr. Dre for Andre Young. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I have somewhat of an issue, but not related to honorifics. Nowhere does Beahm use "Dr DisRespect" ... he uses "DrDisRespect", "DrDisrespect", and "drdisrespect" but never the title of this article which is now "Dr DisResRespect". How is this mistake possible? --SVTCobra (talk) 06:25, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the comment above. Nowhere do I see him refer to himself as "Dr DisRespect". Instead it's always DrDisRespect and I believe this needs to be fixed 2600:6C48:767F:FF1B:3409:8097:8F64:8F24 (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

I suggest we change the main infobox to Template:Infobox Twitch streamer. Dr Disrespect is primarily an entertainer, not a professional eSports competitor. The few tournaments he does enter are celebrity tournaments more than anything. --SVTCobra (talk) 21:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Since no one commented, I have transitioned the infobox. I also embedded the YouTube infobox as a module, so now everything is neatly contained in one box. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

New section for twitch ban?

Should there be a new sub section to discuss his twitch ban? Rather than discussing it in the main lead article box? Viewratio (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

he got banned? news?--SVTCobra (talk) 00:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The event of the ban/suspension is covered for now in the career section. Please do not add it to the lede as it is a breaking report and we should not violate WP:BLP. If you have information with no source, please post it here on the talk page first instead of adding it to the article. Thanks. --SVTCobra (talk) 01:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Doc was indeed banned today SVTCobra, but there is no reason as to why so I feel it shouldnt be added in just yet. Link to a Polygon article here:https://www.polygon.com/2020/6/26/21304828/twitch-bans-dr-disrespect Thanks! Jiiiiiiii (talk) 21:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Note that the previous discussion was from over a year ago after the incident of streaming people urinating from a bathroom, and does not relate to the most recent ban. 81.154.110.34 (talk) 23:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Right - this one seems more severe. We are all sort of waiting for updates/more information on the situation, because right now there is a lot of lack of information (including statement by him too, so perhaps there is some legal reason why there is silence now.) 2A02:8388:1641:8380:9B78:5DE0:8D45:58AC (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Just like to remind you now of the two interviews he did this morning to be added: Interview with PC Gamer / Interview with the Washington Post (there's also analyzation by Forbes and YouTuber Jake Lucky if you need to). In both interviews, the former Twitch streamer insists that he still doesn't know the reasons or actions taken by the platform to ban him (with his final moments of live streaming having to do with "the state of the world" instead of what was about to happen); he also claims that he's not into any theory (like the fake Brime or his connection to conspiracy theorist David Icke) regarding his sudden ban and focused on his upcoming "Doc 3.0" personality. Appreciated. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:983E:58EA:BE0:53E6 (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I've recently requested semi-protection as there are misinformation being posted on the article. Find it here: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection - Dr Disrespect --2603:9000:A511:9E76:85F1:C7BA:A507:7733 (talk) 22:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Should we keep the Twitch or YouTube template?

I noticed that the template for Dr Disrespect changed from Twitch to YouTube given that he did a comeback on the latter. However, there is reportedly no exclusive deal (a la Ninja and Shroud) and he may go from one platform to another. In addition, if he even does return to Twitch one way or another, information on his stats on there should be kept for a record. Just saying, should he decide to stream on his website next, there won't be any dedicated template for that right away unless he ends up banned on YouTube. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 19:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC) Just noticed that EoRdE6 changed it. I guess leave it as-is unless discussion overturns. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 19:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Again, unless he does stream on YouTube next Friday or starts to do so every weekday, the template may need to be kept as if he is still on Twitch (since that is where he became notable). Who knows if the Doc himself has seen this article? Otherwise, it's dead and not moving. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 13:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC) Update: He did another live stream, which was focused on him becoming a partner of [Rogue Company] after tweeting to the developers that he is to develop a themed arena, to which they responded. Still waiting for someone. --2603:9000:A511:9E76:3CC1:9F8:D718:9293 (talk) 15:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

not a controversy

Is there any evidence that there is a controversy around him making fun of chinese speakers? Some news company making a (clearly biased) article about it does not suffice. It's not a controversy if only one or two people are running with the story.

The idea that it is racist to make fun of the way human language #205 sounds relies on the claimant's implicit assumption that any speaker of that language is indeed "dorky" or whatever, making the claimant racist on the exact same basis as he accused the other of being racist. So it's not really believable that there is a controversy around this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaghblahblah (talk • contribs) 18:00, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Section Coronavirus conspiracy theories

The first version of this section from August 2020 underwent several changes, indicating imho an editorial process that has reached a consensus. Nonetheless there have been several complete deletions of this section and subsequent reverts not only recently. But in result this paragraph was part of the article for most of the time.

As the main section title allready states, we are talking about a controversially viewed point. Therefore I don't think a whole section should be removed, but only additions or changes should be made.

Following this belief I will reintegrate this section. Regarding the concern of User:Grifteryaya, I will try to better clarify that the referenced Kotatko article contains mainly commentary. --Murata (talk) 08:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Murata If it has been deleted in the past, it should not have been re-added until there was talk page consensus per WP:ONUS. Also it was written in an unclear style. It was not clear what he did (shared media, said it?) and how what he did was discreditable. Also also, one article in a video gaming blog does not demonstrate notability. These things need to be addressed. Solipsism 101 (talk) 19:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Solipsism 101 WP:ONUS is about the inclusion of a topic as whole. Do you dispute the notability of this section or that it is written in an unclear style? Reading the first part of your deletion comment, I asume second and therefore want you to note WP:EDITCON, where there is no deletion, only compromise. I advocate for an editorial process instead of deletion especially as it is a ... controverse ;). As stated above there has been a process reaching consensus to include this section. But that does not mean there is no room for improvement, lets try to acchieve a new consensus, improving the unclear style: Can you think of a wording that improves this section? He shared media, thats why it said "shared [...] media". I deem sharing misinformation on critical subjects, especially with his reach, discreditable. You do not? The blog article is a source reference not the claim for notability. I do think notability in general should be discussed in the talk pages, probably including sources, but rarely has to be mentioned explicitly (or referenced) in the article. --Murata (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Murata Per the policy (WP:ONUS, if content is contested, it is on you to gain consensus in order for the content to be included. You should remove the content you have re-added until that consensus is formed. I would support inclusion if it were clear what he did, in what context, and we had sustained coverage explaining why it was bad rather than a single article (thinking about WP:10YT). We do not have that at the minute. Best wishes, Solipsism 101 (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Name of article

An IP editor recently brought up the point that the aforementioned Youtuber's channel name is "DrDisRespect". I think we should we make a new page, and move the article there under that correct name, and turn this page into a redirect? CosmicJacuzzi (talk) 00:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Done. CosmicJacuzzi (talk) 00:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 23 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 17:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

---

Dr Disrespect → DrDisRespect – The basis for my suggestion of this move is the discussion that took place above on the talk page here[1]. As well as the fact that one of the it fits on of criteria for article titles, namely precision. The discussion fell to the way side, and it was never done. Thank you for your time, and consideration. CosmicJacuzzi (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: Do reliable sources spell it as one word or two? O.N.R. ^(talk) 23:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Looking at all the sources in the article, it seems they are split, with some using Dr Disrespect and others using the name with no space. Google results in many more hits on the present title than for the proposed name. So it appears that many more sources exist that use the present title when they refer to the video-game streamer. Also seen are a few like "Dr. Disrespect" with a period after "Dr", but not nearly as many as for this article's title without the period. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 07:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, with similar reasoning to Paine Ellsworth. I note that his channel description is "The Official Dr Disrespect YouTube Channel" and that his most live videos use the spaced styling. So does his merch site. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 05:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Initials — Preceding unsigned comment added by APPU (talk • contribs) 15:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Please explain how that guideline applies in this situation? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 00:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Adding Aim Assist under Controversy

On September 21 2021 DrDisrespect tweeted out 'Without your aim assist, you ain't nothing.'[44] This led to widespread disagreement between mouse and keyboard and controller players and prompted backlash from players like FaZe Pamaj, Nadeshot, Nickmercs, and many others. Some claimed the Doc was merely impression farming while others challenged him to try controller himself since it is more accessible.[45] (https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Dr_Disrespect&oldid=1048417064)

Wanted to add in the above portion ^^^ due to all the attention and discussion this has generated recently. Also has been a key component of the Doc's persona over the last couple of years at least since the PUBG days. Got rejected by user:IVORK for not being noteworthy enough yet. Figured i'd open things up for dicsussion here Warzone14 (talk) 21:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

• • if nobody responds to this comment within a week I will add it back in Warzone14 (talk) 04:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Seems a short-term Twitter spat. It doesn't meet notability standards. One might say he criticises aim assist users as part of his online persona, but I don't think the controversy itself is worthy of inclusion. Solipsism 101 (talk) 19:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal for Draft:Midnight Society (game studio)

I propose that Draft:Midnight Society (game studio) should be merged into this article. I have included many reliable sources, as well as a lot of information that won't make this article obsessively too long with text. MikeTimesONE 13:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Go for it. Do note that the draft contains a lot of unimportant fluffy details surrounding the core events, long quotes and uncited portions; these will need to be addressed following or during merging. Pabsoluterince (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Potential update on the Permanent ban from Twitch section

On June 21st, a former Twitch employee, Cody Conners, came forward with allegations against DrDisrespect in an X (Twitter) post. According to Crunchbase, Cody Conners worked for Twitch as an "Account Director [of] Strategic Partnerships"

While DrDisrespect isn't explicitly named in the post, several journalists and industry insiders have come forward to corroborate that these allegations are against DrDisrespect.

• Slasher, who originally implied he knew of the real reason of his ban in 2020, tweeted this.

• djWheat, who served as the Director of Twitch Studios and Director of Creator Development when DrDisrespect was suspended, acknowledges Slasher's role in this story in a post.

• Washington Post report Nathan Grayson tweets that he's heard this story many times from "secondhand sources"

• DrDisrespect himself seemingly confirms that the post is about his suspension in a reply to Jake Lucky. (archived)

So far, everything regarding these allegations has come from a handful of X/Twitter posts but gaming and esports-related news outlets have already picked up on the story. [2][3][4][5][6][7]

I think it's too early to add anything to the article but I would love to know your thoughts. quidama _talk 09:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

With the subject responding to the allegations and this response being picked up by what appear to be reliable sources (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a regular consumer of gaming/esports journalism outside of iRacing),[8][9][10] I see no reason not to include a small blurb in the appropriate existing section. I would agree that there is no need to expand further at this time, or give it its own section at all (as one of the reverted additions tried to do), as it's impossible to tell now how much WP:WEIGHT this will have in the grand scheme of things. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  12:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

So the burden for proof on wikipedia these days is "I heard that someone I know said"? 2603:8001:8601:8445:9424:60D4:6D70:3C97 (talk) 03:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Is it relevant to note that the source of these accusations has floated disclosing knowledge about about the situation in the past for personal financial gain?

https://twitter.com/evoli/status/1679536544863113217 2603:8001:8601:8445:D10C:8891:35D6:5936 (talk) 00:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

No, and especially not when the only source is ex-Twitter. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  04:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The original source for these allegations is the same twitter account I linked, Cody Conners. This person is the progenitor of all claims relevant to this topic in media stories related to this story. Outside of this persons claims you have a few people on twitter claiming that they have known about this since 2020, without adding any more details or evidence. Any media story connected to this either references this twitter or account or citing anonymous sources that have corroborated the allegations of claims made by this twitter account. 2603:8001:8601:8445:D10C:8891:35D6:5936 (talk) 05:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The subject of the article directly addressed the allegations in question and this was picked up by reliable, secondary sources, which is why it is included in the article. Your complaint is wholly irrelevant in light of that unless you can provide reliable, secondary sources. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  05:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be a lot more information now. He's been fired/relationship terminated from a company that he co-founded. There's articles everywhere now so this information definitely should be added to the page:

1. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/dr-disrespect-inappropriate-messages-minor-twitch-1235048071/

2. https://www.thegamer.com/dr-disrespect-knowingly-sent-minor-explicit-messages-former-twitch-employee/

3. https://www.eurogamer.net/dr-disrespect-continued-to-send-sexually-explicit-messages-to-minor-after-their-age-was-known-former-twitch-employee-says

4. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/dr-disrespect-minor-edit/

5. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/dr-disrespect-responds-reports-messaged-minor-twitch-rcna158882

6. https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/dr-disrespect-finally-confirms-the-reason-for-his-lifetime-twitch-ban-admits-to-messages-with-a-minor-that-were-in-the-direction-of-being-inappropriate/

Even NBC News and PC Gamer reported on the story. Guy Bheam all but corroborated the evidence at this point too. The gaming headset company Turtle Beach dropped their partnership with the guy too according to Gosu Gamers: https://www.gosugamers.net/entertainment/news/71904-dr-disrespect-admits-inappropriate-texts-with-a-minor-caused-twitch-ban

We could at least add the links that are acceptable sources and semi-protect the page from abuse before someone does a worse job at adding eg. incorrect information. Averageeuropean (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Gosu Gamers is unreliable. The Gamer, as it's owned by Valnet, is probably reliable. And articles from The Daily Dot might not do should we get to FA. The others, already there. 2601:47:100:AC40:60F3:CE7A:BB9E:F5CA (talk) 12:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Technically, just from NBC News at lead. No Eurogamer refs and over a dozen PC Gamer refs. They're all generally reliable. 2601:47:100:AC40:60F3:CE7A:BB9E:F5CA (talk) 12:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Added the Eurogamer ref where it's proper. As you may see, the aim here has been to improve it so to meet B-class criteria. So far, getting close. 2601:47:100:AC40:60F3:CE7A:BB9E:F5CA (talk) 12:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

At footnote "60", the date is stated as 26th of June, when the correct date in reference to the article is the 24th of June. Cocolina3 (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done. 〜 Askarion ✉ 15:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2024

He was just dropped by Turtle Beach last night, his collection is no longer available and redirects to the home page: www.turtlebeach.com/collections/dr-disrespect, he was also removed from their influencers page: https://www.turtlebeach.com/pages/influencers NonUrBiz213141 (talk) 09:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024

Change "sexting a minor" to "inappropriately texting".

I fully agree he did wrong, but there's no evidence to suggest 'sexting', going that far, that's speculation. Kedzie02 (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The initial tweet https://x.com/evoli/status/1804309358106546676 specifically mentions "sexting a minor", that was the allegation being addressed by everyone else. Sohom (talk) 01:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)