Talk:Downtown Missoula

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I love this article!!!!

Buildings

In my opinion, a lot of the references to the buildings should be removed. 1)There is already a separate Buildings and structures in Missoula, Montana page. 2)at least five of the buildings aren't even downtown.

I personally would default toward the historic nature of Missoula's buildings (you can find a lot of information at Historic Missoula or if you have the book Montana Mainstreets, Volume 6: A Guide to Historic Missoula. Here's an article on A.J. Gibson and the book that was recently written about him.[1] (BTW, Gibson did not design the Wilma Building, Ole Bakke did). On the Buildings and structures in Missoula, Montana page there's a list of all buildings on the National Register of Historic Places that might be a good start. Size-wise, Missoula buildings really aren't that impressive even by Montana standards.

Dsetay (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Possible Additions

1. How Downtown was the bustling center of town only to be left for dead but later revitalized.
2. The feud between Higgins and Hammond
3. How Caras Park was created by diverting the river
4. Fires, floods, and the destruction of Higgins Bridge
5. Relationship with the university (nearness, college culture, business, Griz impact, etc.)
6. ...

Dsetay (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree, and I am going to add some of the things you suggested in the near future. User:Missoulian 2:27, January 6 2010 (UTC)

All better

I have created some extras on this article, that I thought was needed. User:Missoulian January 26, 2011 1:59 (UTC)

Proposed Buildings...

I, ATOTHEJPiano have good faith that the "Proposed buildings" section is required. Missoula is still growing, and there are many "proposed" buildings in the works. Whether it be a year, or 5 years. So please do not delete this section again. In the Downtown Master plan for Missoula on page 80 is specifies a new hotel anywhere from 150-175 rooms, at an estimated cost of 23 million from private investment(s). I have seen the "Fox site" mentioned on the news. On page 27 it state's that the building(s) in the Riverfront triangle (if ever built) could be no larger 200 feet tall (because of close proximity to MSO), but no shorter than 150 feet to support a 150+ room hotel on a less than 1 acre lot. If you have any questions or concerns, please ask instead of deleting sections that are relevant.

ATOTHEJPiano (talk) 20:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Most of what your describing, while it may be exciting and known locally, is not notable on the larger scale. It would certainly be appropriate to mention sourced plans for downtown in a general way as part of the more recent history, but details of non-notable buildings that may not even be built and the long-range master plans would not be appropriate for this article. This article already suffers from lack of clarity in many places and lack of sources among other problems. Be sure to read WP:GOODFAITH and WP:N as well as WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, and WP:WHIM. --JonRidinger (talk) 08:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

• Agreed - 1) this article sucks. This is sad because there are many things about Missoula's Downtown of historic and cultural significance, at least the state level. 2) The Missoula Downtown Master Plan, which I have read, could probably be used as a main source for a section summarizing the proposals as well as how and why the plan came into being and by when it is expected to be fulfilled. I agree that it is a future blueprint for what the future of Downtown will look like, but it's not set in stone and is subject to change. The Riverfront Triangle may be earmarked for a hotel, but a couple years ago it was proposed as a convention center. The only real requirement is that the prime real estate be paid for and be landmarkish. Dsetay (talk) 20:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with User:Dsetay. We should somehow mention the Downtown Master plan, but in such that it does not make this page seem biased. I will work on this subject in the near future, when I have more time.

Cleaning up article...

I have started the long process of cleaning this article up. Adding references, changing the layout to wikipedia standards, etc. If anyone else would like to help I would appreciate it. I am still going to be adding certain things such as previously discussed: such as major projects currently or going to take place at some point in Downtown Missoula. some of the projects I will add to a specific section (not currently named; need input from others) would be projects such as the Fox site development, Silver park, the Old sawmill district, and the Greater Downtown Master plan in general. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to help just respond. Thanks,

Missoulian (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Just use good sources and cite then correctly, it's a huge pain in the butt to clean up that stuff later, much easier to get the formatting and citation all done the first time.  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 00:31, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Watch out for objective terms. For instance, the sentence that the town "grew rapidly". What does that mean? How rapidly? Is there a sourced population jump that can actually quantify "rapidly"? Otherwise, it's anyone's guess how "rapidly" it grew and possible that it would not be considered that rapid to many readers. Define it. Also, watch out for using seasons to mark general dates (this is known as a "point of view" term), such as the sentence that says a new building is scheduled to be complete in "Fall 2012". First, "Fall" is an American term, and second, not everyone who reads Wikipedia has Autumn in between September and December like we do in the northern hemisphere. If you can find a month (like September) that the building is scheduled to open, use that. If not, I would just use "late 2012" instead of a season.

Lastly, make sure each paragraph ends with a valid citation and that each section of info within a paragraph ends with the appropriate citation(s). The section "Early history", for instance, has one source, but comes early in the paragraph, so it appears that the remainder of the paragraph is unsourced. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

As for the new section, I would consolidate the history section more and place the upcoming developments as part of that. Right now, there are very small subsections of history and then a random "Enlarging downtown" section as part of Geography. There is nothing wrong about ending a history section with current projects and future projects that are definite. Again, just watch out for POV terms like "modern" or "currently" that can quickly become outdated. Future projects should be included in a very general way, not an entire section of speculation or plans that may never happen or details about each one. Also, the "under construction" chart should be removed. A parking structure is not significant. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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