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1.==Soprano Satpathy is not at all an important person of Dhenkanal== He might have quoted reference of some unimportant periodical. 2.==Nandini Satpathy does not belong to Dhenkanal. She beloged to some village of Puri. So she is not an Important Person of Dhenkanal== It is hoped that people should not soil the name of WIKI by such cheating.Mgsports (talk) 11:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nandini Satpathy is a very important person of Dhenkanal & she is the only Chief Minister from Dhenkanal till date. Her paternal side is in Puri district but she married in Dhenkanal, that is why she belongs to Dhenkanal rather than Puri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RAJA NARAYAN TRIPATHY (talk • contribs) 12:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Soprano Satpathy has his own Wikipedia article, showing he meets our notability guidelines. I will ask Karan1974 to comment on Nandini Satpathy. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you'd like to bring up a contention that the publications in question aren't reliable sources, it would be best to do so at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. They've got the most experience in figuring out what is and isn't a reliable source. (Note that the snsmt.org site probably doesn't qualify for evidence of notability, since it's essentially a self-published source. I more copied that one over for additional information about the person.)

Regarding Nandini Satpathy, by "belong to", are you meaning "born in"? Provided that she lived in Dhenkanal for a significant period of time, that would be sufficient to call her "of" Dhenkanal. I was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, but I wouldn't call myself "from"/"of" there. You are correct to say, however, that the references don't currently clearly indicate her as being from Dhenkanal the city, as opposed to Dhenkanal the district. Her article, and her entry here, need some further references in any event (what looked to be the major one is a dead link - will see if I can resurrect it via [1] and/or find other references, although someone who could read Indian languages other than English would be best for the latter!); moreover, lots of revisions are needed on her article.

In calling something "cheating", please assume good faith/intentions, and no personal attacks. Allens (talk | contribs) 13:06, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I like your observation, but I insist, there is lot of cheating in India, which you or I have difficulty in accepting. Nandini has never stayed in Dhenkanal. She was born and brought up 160 KMs away. Her working life was spent at Cuttack, 70 KMs from Dhenkanal and also at other places..
PLEASE ENTER THE NAME OF SMT. SULAKSHANA DEVI, first lady poet of Orissa. She is a very Important Person of Dhenkanal..
I donot know this Soprano, so neither do I love him nor do I hate. My concern was to strengthen reliability angle of WIKI Pages. You people may take interest, I have just pointed out. Love.Mgsports (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Sulakshana Devi, you'll need to provide references to show her notability. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thats very nice of you. I will take time and do the needful..Love.Mgsports (talk) 16:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you NeilN: Slightly perplexed about having to prove factual information time and again :) I will be glad to provide the information about her. First, there is an apt wiki page for her Nandini Satpathy. She has been a MLA for 3 terms from the "Dhenkanal" constituency alone. Referential source can be found here: http://dhenkanal.nic.in/assembly.htm . Relevant extract from the page

118-Dhenkanal Assembly Constituency

From-To Name of the Hon’ble M.L.A

1977-1980 Smt Nandini Satpathy (Janata Party)
1980-1985 Smt Nandini Satpathy (CFD)
1985-1990 Smt Nandini Satpathy (Independent)

News article about her death can be found out at http://www.hindu.com/2006/08/06/stories/2006080605201200.htm, which is one of the prominent newspapers in India which has consolidated information about her achievements and also what the Orissa state deemed to do on her demise. http://www.hindu.com/2006/08/06/stories/2006080605201200.htm

Not only she has been a Member of Legislative Assembly from Dhenkanal multiple times, her husband has been a Member of Parliament a couple of times from Dhenkanal. She has been the "Chief Minister" of Orissa state a couple of times (from 1972 to 1973 and 1974 to 1976) apart from being a Union minister from 1966 to 1972. The citations are available in the earlier mentioned article in Hindu and also in the article in Times of India, a leading English language newspaper in India. Link:http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2006-08-05/india/27801889_1_oriya-orissa-cm-orissa-chief-minister

There are numerous references available to all, but for this discussion have bought forth these references.

If Late Ms. Nandini Satpathy, having all these positions is one of the most notable persons in India, then how come she is not a notable or important person from Dhenkanal. If she did not matter at all then why was cremated with "full state honours" and also the State government declare a three-day mourning as a mark of respect to the departed leader. These are factual information and I am not sure why a denial is even being made.

I hope these points are sufficient. I am more inclined to believe that "personal" reasons are in play here. I am not sure what is the criteria user "Mgsports" believes in. "Mgsports" state he is nonindian but he still has all the information to mention that he knows that they are not notable but no information to back it up. In addition to replacing the names of prominent persons the names of "Samant Suryanarayan Patnaik", "Prasanna Kumar Patnaik" and "Jitendra Kumar Patnaik" are being inserted. So what is the criteria here. A funny question though: Does Mgsports believe that deleting the notable person information and inserting some random names will make the page more reliable ? Mgsports does not know Soprano Satpathy, but he sure knows that "he is not at all an important person of Dhenkanal" :). Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 18:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Karan has talked so much about Nandini being the greatest person of India, but Karan has not been able to counter my statement that Nandini belongs to Puri and not Dhenkanal. Indira Gandhi won election from Chikmagalur, South India. That certainly does not say that she belonged to Chikmagalur.So Nandini was not an Important Person from Dhenkanal. Let WIKI decide the rest. I have no time to waste for plagiarists. Karan must know that the honesty level of Indians is lowest in the world, lower than people of Pakistan.Mgsports (talk) 03:14, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Karan, Gandhi, who was the gretest Indian, got the best praise from Lord Mountbaten, a Britisher. The best movie on Gandhi was produced by Richard Attenborough, acted by Ben Kingsley. Be proud to be an Indian.Mgsports (talk) 03:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your thoughts. Please don't misquote me. Let me reiterate about Late Ms. Nandini "...is one of the most notable persons in India...", hope this clarifies a lot and lays your point to rest. "Belongs to" point has been nicely elaborated by user Allens. To further bolster my statements, her husband was a Member of Parliament twice from Dhenkanal. Her son had represented the place as a MLA earlier, and also currently representing the district as a MP (two full tenures completed and the third one is in progress). Extract from the article in Hindu "... Her body was taken to Dhenkanal on Saturday morning where thousands of people paid their homage to the late leader...". She died in Bhubaneswar but her body was taken there. What does this all signify to you? Where do Gandhi, Mountbaten, movies, figure in this discussion. The discussion of honesty level of Indians or for that matter any nationality does not merit any discussion over here. But if you do insist, you are perfectly ratifying your statement here. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 04:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could we try to clearly distinguish whether we're talking about Dhenkanal the city and Dhenkanal the district? The district, she definitely belongs to. The city is in question. Is there any info about where she lived when she was in India's Parliament, for instance? Allens (talk | contribs) 15:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Allens. Dhenkanal district comprises of 4 major constituencies i.e. Dhenkanal, Hindol, Kamakhyanagar and Parjang. Dhenkanal is the biggest city in that district which contains most of the state administrative departments. The current political representation is listed at http://dhenkanal.nic.in/mpmla.htm, that shows the current MP and the MLAs for the constituencies. The district map is located at http://dhenkanal.nic.in/maps/Ac055_map.pdf

The MP (Member of the Parliament- National Level) represents the district and the MLAs (Member of Legislative Assembly- State Level) represents their constituencies. Ms. Nandini represented the Dhenkanal constituency from the year 1977 thru 1990. Information available at http://dhenkanal.nic.in/assembly.htm

Being a MLA, one would have an official residence allocated by the state govt. in Bhubaneswar for it is the capital city of the state of Orissa, where the state legislative assembly is located. They would normally stay there during the period when the legislative assembly is in-session; which is about a couple of months in a year. Most of the time they would be present in their constituency to address the grievances of the people.

Likewise the MPs would have an official residence allocated by the Govt. of India in New Delhi, the capital of India, and they would be staying over there when the Parliament is in-session which is about a couple of months in a year. In all likelihood, if they spend all the time away from their constituency where they were elected from, people would take note and would prefer not to elect them again when their tenure is over.

As Ms. Nandini was a representative from the Dhenkanal constituency it is imperative she spent most of her time there. She being elected back to back over 3 tenures (over 13 years) speaks volumes about she being in the midst of the local people and making effective use of the state mechanisms to address their grievances, and that would mean being at the district headquarters that is located in Dhenkanal city.--Karan1974 (talk) 20:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wont waste my time or for that matter time of WIKI on a matter which is already open. Ashes of some people are sprinkled on rivers. That doesnt say that they belong to rivers. Ashes are ashes , dead bodies are dead bodies. How can anyone justify Nandini beloged to Dhenkanal because her dead body went(?). I request users Allens and NeilN to read my post.. Love you.Mgsports (talk) 05:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cool! Great analogy... suits fine with me. Thanks.--Karan1974 (talk) 05:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Karan, donot forget to project Nandini as the greatest person of India. Manage it! It will help you. Meanwhile learn English, read good novels..Mgsports (talk) 06:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Karan, I HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKE WHILE FLASHING THE NAME OF THREE JUDGES. THEY ARE JUSTICE GATI KRUSHNA MISHRA, JUSTICE AMIYA KUMARI PADHEE(LADY) AND JUSTICE D.N.PATNAIK. I FEEL D.N.PATNAIK HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN AS A JUSTICE. PL ARRANGE TO PROVIDE REFERENCE FROM ORISSA HIGH COURT SITE. This item can be flashed in both sites of WIKI/Dhenkanal...Love you.Mgsports (talk) 11:10, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't use all-caps in your comments. It is SHOUTING. I've reverted your changes. Sources must be found first and then the entries added. Also, please see WP:HONORIFICS. We do not list people with their titles. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:35, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

However it is permissable, even welcomed, to add a few words about a person after their name. For example, D. N. Patnaik, High Court Justice. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:47, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I donot know how to collect evidence that these three people were High Court Judges. Karan knows it. NeilN may please advise him to do that. He is unnecessarily angry with me.Love...Mgsports (talk) 13:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- I have found the following reference regarding persons herebelow. Please ask somebody to codify:

1. Gati Krushna Mishra (former Chief Justice)p www.orissahighcourt.nic.in/cjudgesret.as 2. Jaya Krushna Mishra (former High Court Judge) www.orissahighcourt.nic.in/judgesret.asp 3. Amiya Kumari Padhee (former High CourtJudge) www.orissahighcourt.nic.in/judgesret.asp 4. Kunja Bihari Panda (former High Court Judge) www.orissahighcourt.nic.in/judgesret.asp

The above may please be entered as Notable People of Dhenkanal....Love.Mgsports (talk) 15:23, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mgsports, I could see the names of the people mentioned by verifying the information available at those links. There are typos in the names provided but nonetheless similar. Apart from being listed as judges of Orissa High Court, I don't find any references that they were from Dhenkanal city or Dhenkanal district. Please provide information to justify that. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 04:33, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have finally got some reference on "Ms. Amiya Kumari Padhi". Relevant extract as "...she was born in Dhenkanal on Sep. 15, 1933. She completed her matriculation in Sambalpur and graduated from Ravenshaw College, Cuttack, in 1953. She went on to pursue law education and enrolled at the Bar in 1964. Justice Padhi was elevated to the judge of the Orissa High Court on April 18, 1988. She retired on September 14, 1995..."--Karan1974 (talk) 04:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Many thanks Karan. Now I will help you. Ms. Amiya Kumari is the daughter of Jaya Krushna Mishra(Justice). Gati Krushna Mishra(Chief Justice) is the younger brother of Jaya Krushna Mishra. That is to say, father and daughter were Justice, while uncle was Chief Justice. They belong to a village named GAILO, some 20 kms from Dhenkanal city on Dhenkanal - Sambalpur national highway. I have seen their house while on a shooting trip along with prince. Now, Kunja Behari Panda(Justice) belongs to some village nearby Dhenkanal and he was practising at Dhenkanal as an advocate. D.N.Patnaik (Justice) also belongs to Dhenkanal Town. He is the son of Surendra Mohan Patnaik, who was MLA... I love you.Mgsports (talk) 06:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Orissa High Couurt Judges are listed in one page, www.orissahighcourt.nic.in/judgesret.asp which you have seen. There is another Page for all who were Chief Justice,www.orissahighcourt.nic.in/cjudgesret.asp. Here you will view CJ Gati Krushna Mishra. Justice page and Chief Justice page are different... Love.Mgsports (talk) 11:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this information Mgsports. I believe it would be apt to list them in Dhenkanal district rather than Dhenkanal city. Thanks. --Karan1974 (talk) 06:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- - WIKI does not like JUSTICE any where. WIKI likes plagiarism and donation.Mgsports (talk) 17:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Raja Narayan Tripathy- Is he a notable person from Dhenkanal, Dhenkanal district, and of Orissa?

The following is the content that's being put forth and the references to attest to that this person is notable: CA Raja Narayan Tripathy

This looks more like a promotion of this particular person. Greater emphasis is being put on the professional title of this person. The person is only doing his job and has been called in the news article and coincidentally the first 2 references point to the same piece of work, which is more about a call of action rather than doing anything specific. The other 2 links are non-functional and there is reference to his personal website. So I don't think this person merits to be called out as a notable person of these places where insertions are being made. Any other thoughts please? --Karan1974 (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:19, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dhenkanal (City) → Dhenkanal – Dhenkanal currently links to a disambiguation page. However all the pages there - Dhenkanal district, Dhenkanal state, Dhenkanal College, Dhenkanal railway station, etc. - are named for the same city. The convention for other indian cities with a namesake district and/or historic state - Jhansi, Indore, Gwalior, and so on - is that the city article gets the unqualified name. It ought to work the same way for Dhenkanal. Tom Radulovich (talk) 02:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 08:10, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:DABCONCEPT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support makes eminent sense. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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