Talk:Department (administrative division)

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On 17 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Department. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Alaska is still a Department.

All states are Departments. https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/a

28 U.S. Code § 3002 - Definitions (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.

4 U.S. Code § 72 All offices attached to the seat of government shall be exercised in the District of Columbia, and not elsewhere, except as otherwise expressly provided by law. (July 30, 1947, ch. 389, 61 Stat. 643).

A county is a sub-division of a larger organization, a state. A state is a voluntary franchise sub-division attached to the seat of Government, the United States Incorporated.

There are 50 states in the United States of America, established by the Articles of Confederation, March 1,1781.

The United States of America is not the same thing as the United States.

There are 57 states, also called Departments, and entities, etc in the United States Incorporated, These are the voluntary franchise sub-divisions, subsidiary corporations (body corporate and politic), attached to the seat of Government in the District of Columbia, along with Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and any other territory or possession of the United States Inc.

“The United States Government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.” N.Y. v. re Merriam 36 N.E. 505; 141 N.Y. 479; affirmed 16 S.Ct. 1073; 41 L. Ed. 287; affirmed U.S. V. Perkins 163 U.S. 625.

Each constitutional state, is a foreign nation, non domestic, without the United States.

Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 648: "Foreign states. Nations which are outside the United States. Term may also refer to another state; i.e. a sister state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C466:F8B0:5C8F:15D6:ABCA:2BBE (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 02:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The same as all other terms for administrative divisions: Province, Oblast, Governorate, Region, Raion, County etc. Thesmp (talk) 10:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, massviews show it gets far less views than the others, how do you know it's the primary topic? --The Tips of Apmh 14:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between those other terms and department is that there are a number of competing meanings that arguably prevent the administrative division from being the primary topic. It may very well be the most significant of them, but a primary topic requires that discrepancy to be clear and overwhelming -- between government cabinet departments, business departments, the maybe-OR essay we have at Departmentalization and other terms I am not sure that this is the case. At the least, we'll need some sort of argument or evidence of it.--Yaksar (let's chat) 16:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. That this is the primary topic is far from "clear". The nominator argues there's a precedent that names for administrative divisions are always primary, but there are many counterexamples, such as State, Circuit, Riding, Parish, etc. Colin M (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It is certainly not clear to me that there is any primary topic here at all. Most Americans would probably think of Ministry (government department) when they hear "department". Rreagan007 (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree with others that this has several unrelated meanings. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. My first thought went to Academic department, and corporate departments generally. BD2412 T 17:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No primary topic here. The other examples cited by the nominator refer specifically to an administrative division of a country. Department doesn't, as it has many other meanings. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Department is a general term used in many contexts. For the majority of anglophones, its use for denoting a geographic region is certainly not the primary one. Eric ^talk 16:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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