Talk:Democratic Party (South Korea, 2015)/Archive 3

Political Position

I would like to bring up the blatantly inaccurate nature of how the article currently describes the Democratic Party of Korea's political position as "centre to centre-left". This is simply incorrect.

There is in reality, nothing "centre-left" about the Democratic Party of Korea. In fact former party leader Lee Hae-Chan described the Democratic Party as "not progressive and around centre-right".

Here's the source for that: https://www.joongang.co.kr/article/23048528#home

The Democratic Party's own presidential candidate Lee Jae-myung described his aspirations to uphold and establish "conservative values".

Here's the source: https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20161221066400061

Another article describes in detail about how the Democratic Party in reality is a centre-right political party.

Here's the source: http://www.newsfreezone.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=106301

It is also blatantly obvious that the Democratic Party of Korea is not a centre-left political party due to how socially conservative and economically pro-free market the party is. For perspective, the Social Democratic Party of Germany, the Swedish Social Democratic Party, the British Labour Party, and the French Socialist Party are all described as "centre-left". Clearly, the Democratic Party of Korea does not fit into this category.

So I propose one of the following edits to be made:

• Change the current description from "centre to centre-left" to "centre to centre-right"
• Change the current description from "centre to centre-left" to "centre-right" and add a footnote explaining various factions within the party
• Change the current description from "centre to centre-left" to "big tent" and add a footnote explaining various factions within the party
• Change the current description from "centre to centre-left" to "Syncretic" and add separate positions for fiscal and social ideologies (an example of this can be seen on the Wikipedia page for the Ukrainian political party "For the Future".

I believe an edit must be made, anything would be better than the simply inaccurate status quo. MogasTheThird (talk) 21:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

However, media often describe DPK and Moon Jae In Government as center-left, # and rarely described it as center-right. Therefore, it seems most appropriate to describe "Centre to centre-left (with centre-right factions)." It is also relatively social liberal in South Korea's extremely social conservative standards. --Storm598 (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they/it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree very much that DPK is a "center-right" in the context of international politics it has pro-market or social conservative elements. Even by US standards, DPK is never "center-left". DPK is definitely a conservative center-right party in the political context of the United States and Europe. However, this is South Korean politics, and it is difficult to see it as a "center-right" in South Korean political standards. Therefore, it is difficult to agree with the proposal to change to "centre to centre to centre-right". --Storm598 (talk) 22:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they/it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I see your point, however I do not agree with keeping the political position as "centre to centre-left". For the record, this is English Wikipedia, so I do not see why we should be conforming to the standards of Korean politics when it comes to political position. Even if we were conforming to Korean political standards, the Democratic Party of Korea does not fit in "centre-left". As I've previously mentioned, Democratic Party members have described themselves as closer to "centre-right" I propose we change the political position to "Centre-left to centre-right". I argue for this because the Democratic Party of Korea has socially and culturally liberal (centre-left) factions and economically liberal (pro-free market) centre-right factions. This would much more accurately describe the party. 14:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

In fact, it is culturally close to moderate conservatism. None of the social liberal parties in developed countries oppose homosexuality. However, I cannot agree because this is South Korean politics. In the case of DPK, there are overwhelmingly more sources described as "Centre-left" than sources described as "Centre-right."--Storm598 (talk) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they/it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I also think DPK is never a "centre-left" in the context of American or European politics, but Wikipedia should be described based on sources. As you can see by just searching Google right now, DPK is often described as a centre-left party by mainstream Western media. After all, there are not so many sources that describe DPK as centre-right, so we have to limit it to "faction".--Storm598 (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they/it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)