Talk:DeSantis

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On 22 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to DeSantis (surname). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 22 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DeSantis → DeSantis (surname) – Ron DeSantis is the primary topic, so DeSantis should be redirected there. See all-time pageviews and WikiNav. Now, I know what you're thinking: recentism, right? Well, we see that after Casey DeSantis (the wife), John DeSantis is ranked third place in terms of all-time pageviews. If we go back to before DeSantis ran for governor, he still received the second-most pageviews after John. John DeSantis is apparently an actor whose article consists solely of three filmography tables — not very notable, especially long-term–wise. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Definitely recentism, and Americanism, and current page-view statistics are not the only rubric for determining WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, with long-term significance being a major one. The primary topic for any common surname is generally going to be the surname itself; a surname by itself doesn't go to a specific person except when the name is rare or exinct and the person is of overwhelming lasting historical dominance over all other uses of the name (e.g. Mozart, Einstein, Hitler). Even Kennedy doesn't go to John F. Kennedy despite it almost always meaning him when used by itself. Well, by Americans, anyway, and that bias is a major factor to consider in this case, since to non-Americans the primary meaning of the Italian name "DeSantis" is not likely the American politician but the name itself. Our DeSantis DAB page already says it all: "Usage of the surname alone in American politics most frequently refers to Ron DeSantis (b. 1978), the current governor of Florida and a former candidate for president of the United States in the 2024 Republican primaries." — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Click through all 30 other DeSantises. Half of them are stubs, one's a redirect, and none have as much content as Ron DeSantis. Length doesn't necessarily translate to notability, but in this case there is a clear primary topic here, regardless of potential recentism. Unlike "Kennedy", "DeSantis" is not a very common last name. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The clickstreams in WikiNav indicate that there was a total of 1.2k incoming views in December, and we could identify 397 outgoing clickstreams to the most popular topic. With just ~33%, that doesn't really point to a primary topic, or otherwise it points to a significant issue with our navigation that somehow ~66% of viewers are not going there. Should the entry for Ron DeSantis also be formatted as a list item perhaps, let's try that and see if that makes the statistics budge? --Joy (talk) 09:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, depends on which graph you look at. Unless I'm misinterpreting the data, the graph under Comparison Across Languages shows that Ron DeSantis received 76.35% of pageviews. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's 76.35% of identified outgoing clickstreams. This is only the ratio within the set of identifiable outgoing clickstreams, which both typically excludes a large part of the long tail because of anonymization requirements (see the fine print), and ignores the incoming views that didn't lead to an identifiable click, which may also include the Wiktionary links etc. --Joy (talk) 19:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose He dropped out of the presidential primary, he's toast in terms of significance. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 14:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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