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On 12 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to X-Men: Dark Phoenix. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Fixing reference errors

When I went to the Dark Phoenix (film) page, I noticed that there are two list-defined reference errors. Please fix it. Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 02:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If New Mutants’ reception is labeled as “mixed” why Dark Phoenix’s reception labeled as negative?

I’ve noticed that the New Mutants page states that the film had “mix” reception and I assume that is based on what Metacritic saying it has mix or average reviews.

Metacritic also says the same thing about Dark Phoenix, with it having a 43 rating just like New Mutants. They also have similar average ratings on Rotten Tomatoes, Dark Phoenix having a 4.6/10 and New Mutants having a 4.8/10.

So I and some others have tried to label the film’s reception as “mixed” as well. But there are those who want to label the film’s reception as negative because of the RT meter is so low. This doesn’t make much sense to me. Because the RT meter is not an average rating but the percentage of reviewers that liked a work.

A movie can have mostly “okay” reviews and get a high RT percentage such as the Bird of Prey film, which has a 6.8/10 average rating with 71%. Joker has a lower RT parentage than Birds of Prey with a 68%, but has a higher average rating with a 7.3/10.

As I said, the film’s average rating is similar to New Mutant’s on both Rotten Tomatoes, as well as Metacritic. So I think either New Mutants’ reception should be labeled as “negative” like Dark Phoenix. That or Dark Phoenix’s reception be labeled as “mixed”.

Also, I honestly think Metacritic has a bit more weight than Rotten Tomatoes since all the reviews it posts come from people who are actual critics. By that, I mean people who engage in criticisms (aka the judgement/analysis of the merits and faults of a work). While Rotten Tomatoes now collects “reviews” from bloggers, Youtubers, and casual websites that don’t necessarily engage in actual criticism. They often just tell you whether they like a work or not instead of making any kind of analysis. 98.110.50.133 (talk) 03:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really confirmed that Deadpool 3 will be before the events of Logan?

Ryan Reynolds didn't really mention that, he just mentioned that Logan is its own separate thing. 163.116.199.121 (talk) 15:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 13:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Phoenix (film) → X-Men: Dark Phoenix – The article itself states that the film was better known as X-Men: Dark Phoenix through international marketing, its on-screen title, and international home media releases; it was only known as just Dark Phoenix for U.S. (and Canadian?) marketing. Propose move based on WP:COMMONNAME. – Nick Mitchell 98 ^talk 10:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 18:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per commonname and consistency with other X-Men film titles. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've often said that consistency should have little bearing when it comes to film titles. If we aimed to be consistent, we would need to move Jurassic World Dominion to Jurassic World: Dominion (to match Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom), Scream VI to Scream 6 (to match Scream 2, 3, and 4), Mission: Impossible III to Mission: Impossible 3 (to match Mission: Impossible 2), Alien: Romulus to Alien Romulus (to match Alien Resurrection), etc. Titles of works are inherently inconsistent; just look at the Fast & Furious titles. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose – Ah, here we go again. Per the longstanding consensus of the film project, film articles should use the title used when the film was originally released. X-Men: Dark Phoenix was retroactively added in its home media release for marketing purposes. Many similar discussions have occured in the past, none of which succeeded: Star Wars (film) has been RM'ed six times, none of which resulted in a move despite the more WP:NATURAL alternative; likewise, a recent proposal to move Superman (1978 film) to Superman: The Movie failed; as did a proposal to move Dune (2021 film) to Dune: Part One. We also use the original titles for Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One.
Furthermore, there is no evidence "X-Men: Dark Phoenix" is the more common name, as there are endless sources that continue to use the film's correct and original title: New York Times (2022), LA Times (2023), Washington Post (2021), AP (2023), CNN (2022), People (2022), Parade (2024), TheWrap (2024), Collider (2023), /Film (2023), etc. A quick survey of the reviews published at the time of the film's release paints an even clearer picture: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] The U.S. copyright filing, MPAA certificate, BFI catalog, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, The Numbers, TVGuide, Common Sense, and Letterboxd all use Dark Phoenix. (IMDb, which is user-generated, was the only outlier.) The title also remains unchanged on the 20th Century Studios website. It is clear that Dark Phoenix is more recognizable and concise than X-Men: Dark Phoenix. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:NATDIS. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per InfiniteNexus. Plus, the request itself is misleading, as the article never states that the film is better known as X-Men: Dark Phoenix, just that it was called that way internationally and in the home release. That does not mean it is the WP:COMMONNAME. —El Millo (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

just that it was called that way internationally and in the home release And in the onscreen title, which is a significantly more persuasive detail than the other two. Grandpallama (talk) 00:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. The onscreen title was just Dark Phoenix in the theatrical release. They edited it for home video. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't support this move, but it's not incorrect. It may not have been the theatrical onscreen title, but it's perfectly accurate to describe it as an onscreen title. Between that and the fact that it's known with the X-Men prefix everywhere outside of the US, it's perfectly understandable why the move suggestions keep occurring; to most of the English-speaking world, that's the proper name, and they're puzzled why it's not referred to as such on enwiki. Grandpallama (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose per InfiniteNexus. The common name rationale did not provide any sufficient evidence to support that claim, and many sources only call it Dark Phoenix, which is the official title. The arguments to change the article title just to make it consistent with others is also not sufficient as titles should be official and follow naming conventions. I do not think WP:NATURAL diasambiguation would suffice, either, in this situation as using a less common name is ill-advised. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this has been brought up, I would like to comment on how several parts of the nominator's rationale statement is highly inaccurate. As El Millo noted, The article itself states that the film was better known as X-Men: Dark Phoenix is false; the article simply notes that this was an alternative title used for home media and international markets. its on-screen title is also false; the onscreen title was "Dark Phoenix" in the theatrical release, which was edited for home video. I don't know if the original footage can still be found online, but I remember it was left unaltered when it aired on cable years ago. it was only known as just Dark Phoenix for U.S. (and Canadian?) marketing is misleading; it's not "marketing", the U.S. was the country of origin, and Dark Phoenix was the legally registered title. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Was very hard to find a video online (since it seems the unaltered version was never properly released), but here's the designer studio's website. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.