Talk:Crazy Crazy / Sakura no Mori

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 08:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the lyrics to Gen Hoshino's "Crazy Crazy" references members of the jazz group Crazy Cats through kanji? Source: Hoshino, Gen (December 2015). "2015年の圧倒的名盤『YELLOW DANCER』 その全曲を語りつくす完全保存大特集!" [Yellow Dancer - Complete Special Feature Going Into Every Song on 2015's Masterpiece Album!]. Musica (Interview) (in Japanese). Vol. 104. p. 41.
  • ALT1: ... that Gen Hoshino's upbeat "Crazy Crazy" was originally a melancholic ballad? Source: Yoshiba, Saori (June 2014). "Feature - 星野源" [Feature - Gen Hoshino]. Skream! (in Japanese). Archived from the original on March 3, 2024. Retrieved March 3, 2024.
  • ALT2: ... that the lyrics to Gen Hoshino's "Sakura no Mori" can be interpreted as referring to excitement at the start of spring or a sexual encounter between a man and a woman? Source: Watanabe, Marina (July 24, 2019). "ロックの深エロい名曲7 VS エロ騒ぎの名曲7" [The 7 Greatest Deep Erotic Songs VS the 7 Greatest Loudly Erotic Songs]. Rockin'On Japan (in Japanese). p. 1. Archived from the original on March 3, 2024. Retrieved March 3, 2024.
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  • Comment: This is only my third DYK, so I do not believe QPQ is required

Moved to mainspace by IanTEB (talk). Self-nominated at 19:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Crazy Crazy / Sakura no Mori; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Impressive article. Nominated well in time after being moved to mainspace and well-sourced. QPQ is seemingly not required so good to go. I prefer ALT0.--NØ 20:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Crazy Crazy / Sakura no Mori/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: IanTEB (talk · contribs) 10:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I have a good amount of time today, so will crack on with this article now! --K. Peake 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Why is rock piped to rock music in the infobox but Japanese rock elsewhere?

 Changed the link to Japanese rock

• "as double A-sides on the second single from his" → "as double A-sides for his"

 Done. Also changed the start of the lead to be consistent with the other Hoshino articles

• "The J-pop and rock single was released by" → "The songs were released as the album's second single by" since the release belongs here and move genre to the sentence of the homage and composition

 Done. Added the sentence "Categorized as J-pop and rock, the single features varied sound throughout its track listing" to the other paragraph

• To make the first para four sentences, I would recommend adding a sentence about how Hoshino's writing style lacked deep thought and used lines he liked, as the background section mentions for both songs

 Done. I've added this with a semicolon after "Both tracks were written by Hoshino", if you want it completely as its own sentence I can move it, but I thought this flowed well

• Pipe pop to Pop music

 Done

• Wikilink disco

 Done

• Mention the Cherry Blossom theme and that the lyrics describe excitement too

 Done

• Wikilink acoustic guitar

 Done

• The sentence about the single's pre-release previews should be swapped and use "first part" to refer to "Crazy Crazy" and second part for the other one, so you are not using their titles repetitively in this para

 Changed to "second A-side" and "the first"

• "and respectively reached number" → "and respectively reached numbers"

 Done

• "A black-and-white music video for "Crazy Crazy"" → "A black-and-white music video for the former" with the wikilink

 Done

• Add a sentence at the end of this para mentioning notable live performances since you did a whole section for this

 Done

Background and production

• Img looks good and the prose is solid in paragraph one!
• Pipe ballad to Sentimental ballad

 Done

• The similarity to "Shiranai" is not sourced

From the Musica interview: "最初は'知らない'みたいな曲だったんですよ。浪々としたというか、悲壮感漂う曲だったの"

• Remove wikilink on Masatoshi Nakano

 Done

• Pipe blue jazz to Twelve-bar blues

 Done

• "a bar in New Orleans."" → "a bar in New Orleans"." per MOS:QUOTE and re-invoke the ref here since it uses a direct quote

 Done

• None of the first sentence in the third para is sourced; is this on page 2 of the source since I cannot get that to translate and if so, please add as a separate ref here?

There's an rp template so I don't think the source needs to be changed. The exact sentence is "J-WAVEの春のキャンペーンソングだったので、じゃあ、桜ソングを作ろうと思って" if that helps

• Wikilink J-pop

 Done

• Pipe Japanese scales to Japanese musical scales

 Done

• Lowercase the Emotions per MOS:THEMUSIC

 Done

Composition and lyrics

• Audio samples looks good!
• "and, in certain elements, crazy, supported by a" → "and noted the support of a" since the crazy part is not mentioned in the source

The sentence is: "特にジャズピアノにドスのきいたドラムはいい感じに狂っている" - 狂っている means to be crazy

• Wikilink music video

 Done

• Not all of the comp is sourced for "Sakura no Mori"; is some from the Apple Music source I can't see?

Could you specify what is missing? All credits should be featured on Apple Music execpt the chorus vocals, which is covered by CDJournal

• Wikilink acoustic guitar

 Done

Release and promotion

• The source says March 21, not February 21
• "on February 25," → "on April 9, 2014," per the source

 Fixed

• Pipe "Barbara" to Baka no Uta

WP:NOTBROKEN, also for convenience since I plan to create an article for this song at some point

• Pipe black-and-white to Black and white

 Done

• "was released through" → "was released as the second single of Yellow Dancer through"

 Done

• Last para looks good!

Critical reception

• "received positive reviews" → "was met with positive reviews"

 Done

• "singling out the jazz piano as particularly" → "seeing the jazz piano and thumping drums as particularly" but I don't see the crazy quote unless my translator is bad?

 Done

• "of the mainstream."" → "of the mainstream"." per MOS:QUOTE and re-invoke the ref since this is a direct quote

 Done

• "over the "dancing" instrumentation." → "over the dance instrumentation." since quoting is not needed for one word

 Done

• "not to dance to."" → not to dance to"." but the info here does not seem to be sourced, unless my translator is faulty?

The sentence is "腰で踊らずにはいられない" - I ran it through a translator myself now and it shows "I can't help but dance with my hips", but the reviewer never mentions themself in the text so that is the translator filling in blanks

• Last para looks good!

Commercial performance

• First para looks good!
• "on adult contemporary airplay." → "on Adult Contemporary Airplay." with the pipe

This is for the Billboard Japan chart but the article seems to be about the US magazine

Live performances

• "on Gen Hoshino's YouTube channel." → "on Hoshino's YouTube channel." on the text

 Done

• Italicize Two Beat in Yokohama Arena

The article is talking about the concert itself and technically not the live album so I think italics would be inappropriate

• Italicize Count Down TV

 Done

• Mention the two-day concert was in February

 Done

• The bass part is not sourced

It is mentioned earlier in the article that Okamoto played bass during the show

Personnel

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel and I would recommend adding a div col

 Done. There is a div col and has been for a while; is it not displaying?

Track listing

• Pipe "Barbara" to Baka no Uta

See above comment

Charts

• Good

Release history

• Flawless, especially that you have started adding various links after I mentioned this before!

See also

• Remove the info as to why the song is relevant since it is expected that see also sections will link to things where relevancy is built in the prose

 Done

References

• Copyvio score checks out so quick at 1.0%!!!!
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 4, 6, 26, 28, 44, 46, 47, 48, 51 and 54

 Done. I said to myself I was gonna do this before someone picked up the review but must've forgotten...

• Remove the publisher from refs 14 and 22

 Done

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold after this review went quickly and I congratulate you on the hard work already having brought this article to how good it currently is, even having taken on past suggestions already which is fabulous! --K. Peake 10:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I think everything is fixed up! IanTEB (talk) 11:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• @IanTEB: Well done on such a fantastic response through covering the vast majority of these points, despite some being harder than others! I have edited the adult contemporary part now for clarity since I understand it is not the same as the US version; only thing remaining now is to remove the publishers from the refs I mentioned since citing Mikiki is enough. --K. Peake 07:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Done! IanTEB (talk) 08:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, I commend your speed and newfound skills! --K. Peake 20:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Once again, thank you so much for the review! I'll make sure to return the favor with a review on one of the Kanye articles :) IanTEB (talk) 21:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)