Talk:Corrour railway station

Corrour railway station was nominated as a good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (November 13, 2019). There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Pronunciation

Can someone please help by supplying how the word Corrour is pronounced, using the WP phonetic alphabet, which I personally find difficult. "Corrour" has three syllables, the second syllable is stressed and it and the unstressed third syllable are pronounced to rhyme with “bower”. This is the same as how the Gaelic "Coire Odhar" is pronounced. Exbrum (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

/* Services */ Updated to show sleeper now routed via GLQ (Low Level)

I have corrected the paragraph on "Services", not for the first time. It does make me wonder if such a paragraph belongs in an encyclopaedic article. It is going to need constant updating. Must be a nightmare for a busy station! Does it really add much value? Anyone interested would be better just looking up the timetable. Exbrum (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Exbrum: We have WP:NOTTIMETABLE and WP:NOTGUIDE; we usually take this to mean that the services may be summarised (as in "At off-peak times there are three trains per hour to X, two per hour to Y and one per hour to Z") but we don't give specifics such as departure times (even if of the form "departing at 3, 23 and 43 minutes past the hour"), journey times or stopping patterns. Some of this may be permissible in an article about the line or the train operating company, but does not belong in an article about one specific station.

As you mention, it would be a nightmare to keep up to date - there are over 2,500 stations, and two timetable updates per year. The railway companies have a legal obligation to provide up-to-date information; we do not, and it would be misleading for us to include information that may well be inaccurate within six months. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: Thaks for your comments. On this basis I think that the present "Services" paragraph just scrapes through. Exbrum (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Corrour railway station/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 12:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well you reviewed my GA, so I think it's only fair I review yours. I love the West Highland line and want to travel on it again next spring / summer, ideally via the Caledonian Sleeper. Anyway, my initial concern is that some paragraphs don't have inline citations, which will need to be fixed. Otherwise, I'll read through the article and get back to you soon. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: Which paragraphs specifically need more citations? Pkbwcgs (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged them to make them obvious. I'm also concerned you have not contributed much to the article; Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions says "Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination.", which in this case would be @Exbrum: and @Redrose64:. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Me? With 14 edits in all? Oooo --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From a quick spin of the article, I have found numerous unsourced claims, and claims that are not in the citations given. The article needs a thorough fact check before it can be considered a GA. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, all. Perhaps I should put my hand up as I have contributed much of the article. I am a novice in editing and do not understand many technical things like templates: please bear with me and update them for me. I welcome an independent review, as I did feel somewhat in the dark.

I have made a number of edits addressing some of the points made in the review. I give below observations on some remaining points. Exbrum (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History: Corrour was a post town

My citation has been marked "failed verification". I have checked this and the citation is correct and does verify the statement. If you go to the link then select "Inverness-shire" (which the article states is the county in which Corrour was) you get a list of all the post offices and post towns in the county. Corrour is listed as a post town and the relevant dates are given. When I made this edit I did not give the link direct to the "Inverness-shire" subsidiary page because it is important that a reader first goes to the main page (to which I did give a link) then reads the “Terminology” subsidiary page. Without this preliminary work the county pages are unintelligible. In particular, the "Terminology" page explains that because the "CORROUR" entry has the place name in block capitals this means it was a post town. I have tried not to go overboard with citations, but have no objection to the main page, the "Terminology" page and the "Inverness-shire" pages all being individually cited if this solves the problem.

The three links are as follows.

Main page: https://sites.google.com/site/ukpostofficesbycounty/home/scotland.

Terminology page https://sites.google.com/site/ukpostofficesbycounty/home/terminology

Inverness-shire page: https://79f21e9d-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/ukpostofficesbycounty/home/scotland/Inverness-shire.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7coSMN2PxMvIJ40wyEfQ4xX98Qnt8kQEL0ErpaP2voRODqp7jw-CZIo_6qshMNwiQjoAOce_IdJvya2t9-3FS2jqxBJsNrJK9UAlWamfQjvQJaL6HEPQf5t0E0Cc33V3-zslpT9e8RhH89wSHKiT2nHJX7Za0f1GBxEyp8Spr66Qfa6cPgpHu3uTCHSA0nDw0cl85VkoJyihQ-y9FwJ_yeUzQlKYyv1ClrLWP4xmWDNUvF7kFriJef_MA2cdRoijbcUNRR4i&attredirects=0

Exbrum (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No-one has commented so I have expanded the citation slightly and removed the tag. Exbrum (talk) 08:37, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My edit was promptly reverted on the ground that "don't leave search instructions - link the *actual* web page that supports the content". I had already explained, above, the problem with that approach: the *actual* web page is written in shorthand and unintelligible unless you also follow my "search instructions". So the "failed verification" tag returned. I have been pondering how to get round this problem when suddenly salvation appeared. The Post Office listing has recently undergone a substantial upgrade and one improvement is that the existence of a Post Town is now indicated in the main entry, so no longer has to be deduced from the entry name being in block capitals. I have therefore been bold, changed the citation to the Inverness-shire page of the listing and removed the "failed verification" tag. I hope this is OK with everyone. If not please could you contribute to this so far one-sided discussion on the Talk Page.

If through ignorance I have not used the correct template for the citation, could someone please fix it for me. Exbrum (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I did try to edit the existing template, but could not get it to work. Exbrum (talk) 11:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History: Fersit

I see that this has been marked "fact" and "citation required". It is certainly a fact that there was a temporary station at Fersit, and this is recorded in the Wikipedia article for Fersit Halt railway station to which I gave a link. It is also mentioned in the Wikipedia article on the West Highland Railway. Does it need a citation? It is also a fact that Fersit is a little south of Tulloch. This is a geographical fact. If it helps I can insert a reference to an OS map. I inserted the mileage because another editor had inserted the original mention of Fersit but in such a way as to suggest it was near Corrour. I did wonder if mention of Fersit had no place in an article on Corrour, but on balance left it in as it is interesting to know the adjacent stations even if they no longer exist.

Exbrum (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Signalling: RETB controlled from Banavie

I have no knowledge of signalling and cannot help here. I hope someone can provide a citation; indeed this whole section is uncited.

Exbrum (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural references

Paul Merton: I do not understand if this is a still a dead link or not. If it is, I am sorry but I have no knowledge of Paul Merton and cannot suggest a remedy.

Similarly, I have no knowledge of Harry Potter and am unable to supply a citation.

Exbrum (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

"Article on the station by Ian Futers, four pages including track plan, photos, and description in Railway Modeller magazine for April 2008". The link given goes to the wrong edition of the magazine. I am not familiar with the artice and could not find a way to fix the link.

Exbrum (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template removed

@Redrose64: You ask "why was the template removed?" The short answer is because the URL in the template was marked "url-status=dead". The long answer is that I found the new location of the document and made several attempts to edit the template so that the URL went directly to the document. After failing miserably (the previous template seemed more complicated than the comparatively straightforward one you have now inserted) I decided that it was preferable to fix the URL by a method I am familiar with (namely omitting the template) than to persevere with a "dead" URL. I reasoned that once I had the correct URL on display, and if a template were essential, someone who understood templates better than I would soon spot it and make it good. Which is exactly what has happened. Thank you. Exbrum (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]