Talk:Corktown, Detroit

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move, per discussion at Talk:Greektown, Detroit. -- tariqabjotu 06:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Corktown Historic District → Corktown, Detroit – While the official name of this district is Corktown Historic District, the common name is undoubtedly Corktown. Since there are more than one Corktowns in existence, the Detroit qualification is necessary. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name of this article should be Corktown, Detroit. Wikipedian77 (talk) 14:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose See my comments at Talk:Brush Park Historic District. I am opposing because this is one of several current, separate proposals to drop the words "Historic District" from Detroit article titles. Currently all historic districts in Detroit use the phrase, as shown at Category:Historic districts in Detroit, Michigan. I think instead of half-a-dozen unconnected individual discussions about whether to delete the phrase, there should be a discussion at some central location about whether or not to include the phrase "Historic District" for Detroit articles, and an overall consensus reached. I am neutral on what that consensus would be. --MelanieN (talk) 21:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Please see consolidated discussion at Talk:Greektown Historic District. Thank you. Wikipedian77 (talk) 03:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

oldest...half as old

"is the oldest neighborhood in Detroit, Michigan,[2][3] although the city of Detroit is twice as old" reads oddly to me, though I don't know Detroit history. Should it say perhaps "the oldest neighborhood in Detroit outside of downtown"? Mike Linksvayer (talk) 19:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the meaning the quote is intended to convey is that Corktown is the oldest neighborhood that has remained substantially intact. In other words, the Corktown of 150 years ago is pretty much identical to what it is now, which is true of no other neighborhood in the city. Although downtown Detroit was a "neighborhood" 150 years ago, there are essentially no buildings remaining from that time, and the character of the neighborhood is completely different. Andrew Jameson (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Geographic boundaries

Defining Corktown's western border as Rosa Parks is very silly. Michigan Central Station, the neighborhood's most notable landmark, is several blocks to the west of Rosa Parks. There are "Corktown: Detroit's Oldest Neighborhood" signs to the west as well (thinking particularly of the one at Wabash and Dalzelle). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:406:4E02:87E:29BC:41F:EE6E:6F00 (talk) 03:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure the Corktown "area" includes all that, but Corktown is a rather compact area as officially defined. I think you are right in that it does go west of Rosa Parks, but it doesn't go all the way to and include the station. Do a google search for see various definitions. MCS is technically in an area called "Millennium Village," which I doubt anyone really uses. In any case, it's not technically in Corktown proper, though. --Criticalthinker (talk) 13:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on whose official definition you're using, though. The Corktown Historic District, which contains the older, substantially residential buildings that kind of define the neighborhood, is a relatively compact area (actually smaller than presently outlined in the article, with Michigan Ave as the northern boundary). The City of Detroit defines the Corktown neighborhood as a much larger area, running south to Fort and west to the railroad tracks/I96, thus explicitly including Michigan Central Station. Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The map does seem to explictly say that it arbitrary in that it looks like they want every inch of the city covered by a neighborhood, when in fact that doesn't exist. Honestly, you've got small and tight historic districts, then you have neighborhood associations which are usually larger and formed by the neighbors themselves but still in a formal way, and finally you have the city's "master plan" neighborhoods used for planning/statistical purposes. Only the last one would cover MCS. That's means MCS is only included in one out of three and the most expansive one at that. --Criticalthinker (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Revitalization

This article is becoming overrun with a list of new construction & rehab in the neighborhood, particularly after the Ford announcement. That's cool and all, but it's unduly weighting the article toward new construction plans. If there's no objection, I'm planning on on summarizing what's there now and paring down the word count. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've seen this happen on other pages concerning the city (i.e. QLine) where every, single new development is added. I understand some people are excited about revitalization happening in the city, but this is not the place to document every single development, not even every single significant development. Looking at editing history, it seems like for going on at least two years it may be the same person. It may get to the point where we might have to have this page called for protection quite frankly, particularly since it's someone who is simply using an IP. --Criticalthinker (talk) 14:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since there were no objections, I went ahead and edited the section to remove the undue emphasis. Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]