Talk:Conversion to Islam

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Do most Muslims allege that conversion must always be voluntary?

In the article, there is a lack of reference to the issue of forced conversion.

Firstly, as far as I understand, Muslims agree that god (Allah) gave Free will to each human being, Muslim or not (hence he didn't create all humans as Muslims from the begining).
Secondly, as far as I understand, at least in modern times and at least in some cases, when someone is being converted to Islam, this person will be asked (maybe even twice) "Is someone forcing you?".

Therefore, it is unclear to me if all or most Muslims allege that conversion must always be voluntary. What is the accepted Shari'a and was it always accepted?

Thanks. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:4820:3F5B:E02B:F013 (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this a question? Cause the answer is no, it seems to me. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I have edited to clarify. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:2CFD:3FC6:E921:7E72 (talk) 22:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Muslims, yes. Jihadist Salafist extremist lunatics, probably not. (But they are a bit low on grey matter.) "There is no compulsion in religion." is a pretty famous verse from the Qur'an. Islam also contains the principle that words professed under duress are not admissible, while the false profession of faith was a practice that cropped up and was criticized in early Islam. From anyone actually religious in the spiritual sense, forced conversion is also patently worthless, since what is valued is new true believers, not interlopers with no real commitment. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:28, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is stopping you from adding references and prose content on the topics that you feel should be mentioned? If you do not put in the time to do the research, why would you expect other volunteers to do it for you? — Bilorv (talk) 09:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is stopping me and I don't expect anyone to do it for me; I never came across written content on the subject and I think that at least for now the contribution of an expert in Islamic studies to the article would be better and with less chance that the edit would be reverted. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:2CFD:3FC6:E921:7E72 (talk) 12:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the material and linked articles at Religious_conversion#Islam are instructive. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The role of the Internet

It might be that the Internet caused many people to convert to Islam, more than ever before the internet became publicized and if so, there is logic to refer that in the article.

Thanks. 2A10:8012:19:AD67:4820:3F5B:E02B:F013 (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Study

How do you contribute to your family as a member. 103.80.110.157 (talk) 15:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Studies estimated about 30,000 converting to Islam annually in the United States.”

The issue falls under WP:QUESTIONABLE, related to the above quote in Conversion to Islam#Conversion rate

The source for this statistic is from Standpoint (magazine), described as “The magazine was run by the Social Affairs Unit, a spinoff charity of a neoliberal economic thinktank, the Institute of Economic Affairs.”

It wouldn’t be a source that would be known for religious demographics statistics, or being impartial.

The source also dates from about 14 years ago, and doesn’t cite any sources for the statistic.

It also does not states that this estimate is based on any studies, just ”Following 9/11, the number of people converting to Islam began to rise. In the US it is estimated that approximately 30,000 convert annually.”

I’m not aware of the processes for reviewing content here, so I’m unsure if this is the best way to discuss this. But, given the topic, I can see why this wouldn’t be an edit that would be ideal to be made by a new account, so would like to raise this for review.

Sussybubs (talk) 07:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops

Thanks @NebY for reverting [1], I was a little overzealous on the trigger finger with that. Andre🚐 21:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I was hoping it wasn't purposeful. NebY (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that user was recently blocked as a sock and I was reverting their edits, and I didn't read that text closely, I just saw that it was a substantive revert but I should have looked more closely. Sorry! Andre🚐 21:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]