Talk:Control (fictional character)

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Requested move 17 April 2015

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Sarah (SV) ^(talk) 23:10, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Control (fictional character) → Control (character) – Unnecessary disambiguation. The latter already redirects to the former. – Fortdj33 (talk) 13:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from RMTR speedy move

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed title would be ambiguous with control character, an unrelated topic. This should get a full move discussion. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 16:09, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RMTR speedy move "Control (character)" should disambiguate between the keyboard character "control" (seen in control key) control characters and this fictional character -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 18:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Fortdj33, 209.211.131.181, and 65.94.43.89: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Appleyard (talk • contribs) 21:36, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose "Control (character)" should disambiguate between the keyboard character "control" (seen in control key) control characters and this fictional character; and the other fictional character Control (Starlight Express) , plus the fictional organization CONTROL (Get Smart) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 06:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Now that we have a full discussion, oppose this proposed move for my reasons above. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I think a hatnote would be the best way of dealing with this. "Control (character)" seems like an unlikely search term for Control character; indeed, that article is not listed at Control (disambiguation). If we did decide "Control (character)" was ambiguous, it should retarget to that dab instead of being its own page; see WP:INCDAB. Still, that wouldn't make sense unless Control character were listed there. See the problem? --BDD (talk) 19:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Requested move 2 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved, and redirecting Control (character) to Control. Notwithstanding the ambiguity of whether pressing Ctrl generates an actual character, given Control (Starlight Express) and CONTROL (Get Smart), arguably even Control (fictional character) is a partial disambiguation. wbm1058 (talk) 02:09, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Control (fictional character) → Control (character) – Unnecessary disambiguation. The latter already redirects to the former. Fortdj33 (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 20:46, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Fortdj33: "Control (character)" first makes me think of the computer file/input/output characters ascii 0 to 31, made by typing a letter while holding the control key down. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Redirect Control (character) to Control key._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:26, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as a fatal ambiguity, but do not redirect Control (character) to Control key. The key is not a character. There is, however, a control character is various character sets. Instead, redirect Control (character) to Control, which lists both the fictional character entry and the control character entries. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 02:29, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support as unnecessary disambiguation. There are no other articles on other characters (of any kind) called "Control" that this could be confused with. I think our readers are likely smart enough to figure out that "Control (character)" does not refer to Control key, what with the control key not including a character.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:42, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: can all those already involved and those who may !vote after this please voice their opinions on the primary topic i.e. is it the control key. Thanks, DrStrauss talk 20:46, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The control key is not the primary topic of the name (which is a constructed name for disambiguation, not something found in the real world). The control key does not contain any characters and so isn't an a acceptable target for Control (character) to redirect to.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pressing (e.g.) the control and L keys produces the character control-L in the computer's system. Thus the two ideas are joined in people's minds. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:23, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that our readers are so daft that they immediately think of a key that quite notably features no characters when they see the term "character".--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and suggest moving to Control (le Carré character) instead. Also, per SMcCandlish, redirect Control (character) to Control. -- Netoholic @ 09:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the current name and Control (character) should redirect to Control (disambiguation) as there are multiple characters with this moniker. Control (John le Carré) or somesuch should be used instead. -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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