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Although the true merrits of the Concertgebouw are it's accoustic properties, and, not in the least place the wonderful concertgebouworchestra, (rated only 2nd in the world) is the phrase on the construction on the "sandy soil" unfortunately incorrect. The concertgebouw is, as the whole of Amsterdam basically build on a peatbog. The piles on which it rests are drivven through the peat to reach a burried sandlayer. This has nothing to do with its accoustic properties, as far as I am informed.

--- I changed the translation of "Grote zaal" from "main hall" to "big hall" for "grote" means "big" in Dutch.

Bobby Siecer 30-8-2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.240.189 (talk) 19:53, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the "Grote Zaal" translation back to Main Hall because the official Concertgebouw website uses "Main" as its translation of "Grote." I hope this doesn't cause offence.

I have slightly changed the reference to the Concertgebouw being one of the three best in the world. The article cited says that the three listed are exmplkes of the very best but does not exclude others. Also, the article was written in1996 and there have been new arrivals such as Birmingham which are also very highly regarded. Concertgebouw is still my favourite, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.9.52.174 (talk) 07:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. As BHG points out, the policy that apples here is WP:COMMONNAME and it does not seem that any of the support voters have tried to show that 'Royal Concertgebouw' is the common name for the hall in English. Anyone who supports this move might consider opening a new move discussion that presents evidence on usage. I found that 'Royal Concertgebouw' was often used, when it is used at all, as a shorthand reference to the orchestra itself, not the building. Even User:Buxtehude's comment, while interesting, suggests that he is giving evidence of usage in Dutch rather than English. In terms of raw numbers 'concertgebouw' is more often found alone in English than in combination with 'royal.' Others may wish to run their own searches to see if they agree. EdJohnston (talk) 20:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Concertgebouw → Royal Concertgebouw – 'Royal' as of 11 April 2013; see article. The current page Royal Concertgebouw redirects to the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra. This is not correct. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC) --Buxtehude (talk) 11:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Complete name is better. Mama meta modal (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting comment: There is a consensus that "Royal Concertgebouw" better reflects the official title. However, the relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME ("the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources"), whereas this proposal appears so far to rest solely on the principles denigrated in the essay WP:OFFICIAL.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a somewhat complex case. The official name is The Royal Concertgebouw (in Dutch: Het Koninklijk Concertgebouw), including the definite article. 'Concertgebouw' is also a generic term meaning 'concert building', as in Concertgebouw de Vereeniging. In the Netherlands it would be considered rather silly for someone to say "I'm going to the Royal Concertgebouw/Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra", including the 'Royal' bit. But in an announcement or a newspaper article that would be quite common. Buxtehude (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support, mostly for consistency with Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra. The Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra plays in the Royal Concertgebouw. Yeah, that's good enough for me. And while we're never bound by other Wikipedias' practices, I note the Dutch Wikipedia has this article with "Koninklijk" (Royal) in its title. --BDD (talk) 17:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Name is "The Concertgebouw" or "Het Concertgebouw"

As in the dutch site is stated "in de eigen communicatie wordt gesproken van Het Concertgebouw." in their own communications the word is spelled as "Het Concertgebow". Both the website and the logo never uses the adjective Royal (Koninklijk). So the article may start like "Het Concertgebouw" full name "Het Koninklijk Concertgebouw) is a... The orchestra, however, always uses the Royal title. 190.44.133.213 (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]