Talk:Conan O'Brien/GA2

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 12:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

There are a couple of sources such as facebook and youtube used that are typically unreliable but are OK for what they're used for here. The same goes for the HuffPost cites.

• Suggest using {{Non-free use rationale}} in the FUR for File:TheDenialTwistVideo.jpg, but more importantly I don't think this meets fair use. It's not minimal -- it's used in three different articles for the same reason, and one of the other two would be a more likely candidate as the best choice. In addition, I don't think the reader gains anything from the image that they could not from text, particularly since the quality is poor.
  • I agree with your assessment that the image does not really add anything extra for the reader. I have removed the image. -- LuK3 (Talk) 16:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • filfre.net
  • everything2.com
  • revision3.com
  • nypost.com -- listed on WP:RS/PS as a generally unreliable source
  • FN 188 cites ""John Mulaney wanted to be like Conan O'Brien". YouTube. Archived from the original on February 12, 2020." Both the link and the archive link are broken. Dead links aren't a problem for GA, but what makes this a reliable source?
  • araratnews.am
  • soompi.com -- I can't tell if this is a news report or a user-generated article. I also see they cite this site, though I can't tell if that's reliable either.
    • I removed the filfre.net and araratnews.am references outright. I changed the Revision3, New York Post, and John Mulaney references. -- LuK3 (Talk) 00:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

      Looks like there's still a cite to filfre.net? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

      • Looks like I missed that ref. I couldn't find another source with that information so I removed it. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "and a famous remote found Conan visit a historic, Civil War-era baseball league": what's a remote? I'm guessing it means something shot on site, not in the studio? If so a link would help; I suspect it's TV jargon. And it looks like it should be "visiting"?
  • I added a quick description of a late-night remote with a link to Outside broadcasting. Although outside broadcasting usually means a sport event or news report, it also describes any television program recorded in the field. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
• "Later, USA Network handed out a 90-minute, cast-contingent pilot order to the medical-themed Operating Instructions from O'Brien's production banner" again sounds like TV jargon; I have only a vague idea what this means.
  • I changed it to a pilot episode. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

    OK, struck. I think "banner" is still jargon, but it's clear enough in context (assuming I have it right -- the production company operating under his name, right?). Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

    • All that means is that the pilot was produced by Conaco. I changed the sentence, mainly because it was too close to THR's article. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
• "He also helped open the Cor Unum meal center in 2006": since this is a place, not just an organization, suggest giving the location.
  • Added the location with an additional reference. -- LuK3 (Talk) 20:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• The "Filmography" section is mostly uncited.
  • Sources added. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I made a couple of minor copyedits, but there wasn't much to do -- the article is in excellent shape. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:28, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll be addressing these bullet points the next few days. -- LuK3 (Talk) 16:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Some strikes and replies above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow-up comments Mike Christie. I believe I addressed everything, please let me know if I missed anything. -- LuK3 (Talk) 12:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

All the above issues are fixed. I see quite a bit of new material has been added; looking through again:

• "Sources familiar with the situation that O'Brien was unhappy and disappointed with NBC's plan": missing a verb?
  • Missing word added. -- LuK3 (Talk) 01:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
• "This spontaneity has translated to his remotes where he is put in novel and open-ended environments becoming some of his best-received work, such as a "Civil War-era baseball" remote during Late Night and his international Conan Without Borders shows." A bit clumsily phrased. How about "This spontaneity is also apparent in remotes in which he is put in novel and open-ended environments. Some of these, such as a "Civil War-era baseball" remote during Late Night and his international Conan Without Borders shows, are among his best-received work."
  • I changed the sentence to your suggestion in addition to a reference addition. -- LuK3 (Talk) 01:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Spotchecking a couple:

• FN 62 and 126 cite the "spontaneity" sentence above; verified.
• FN 84 cites "By January 2010, O'Brien's ratings for The Tonight Show were much lower than they had been when the show was hosted by Jay Leno": source says "Leno's late-night replacement, Conan O'Brien, has not performed well either", which doesn't really justify "much" lower.
  • I changed the reference that includes the actual viewership ratings numbers. -- LuK3 (Talk) 01:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
• FN 151 cites "This sale included all other Team Coco podcasts including Inside Conan and Parks and Recollection, as well as the development of a comedy channel for SiriusXM radio service". Verified.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you again Mike Christie, I believe I addressed the follow-up comments. -- LuK3 (Talk) 01:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, looks good now. Passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)