Talk:Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu

Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 25, 2012	Peer review	Reviewed
December 26, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 28, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Kick-Ass, Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu's English debate team, ranked second in a 2011 regional tournament?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: North8000 (talk · contribs) 23:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am starting a review of this article. North8000 (talk) 23:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did a pre-review question/post at on the talk page of the nominator and primary editor. [1] As of today have not received a response and it appears that they may be retired. (?) North8000 (talk) 23:30, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably best to fail it post-review, since the last edit by the user was in October. You can wait to see if another user will pick it up, but that's unlikely. Wizardman 02:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Review discussion

In the academics section, the statement "The school is "the best in Pichilemu"" really needs to be sourced (if kept) . One its is a superlative claim, and the other that it is put in as a quote. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:05, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is a direct quote from the Expreso de la Costa newspaper. I've introduced the sentence expressing it is a quote from that news source. The issue is sourcing. Can you provide a source for that? (e.g. the Expreso de la Costa article.)?

Got it, reference added.

Resolved. North8000 (talk) 21:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just re-remembered that it it also in the lead as a pretty broad statement. I may tweak it. North8000 (talk) 11:18, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article has a lot of info that is overly detailed / not enclyclopedic, some it student-guide or student news type material. Just looking for a bit of a reduction. I prefer to not get into picking individual sentences, but listing the 2011 debate team topic, the hours of operation (and exceptions to them) give the idea of what I'm thinking about. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know it is overly detailed at times. Just for the record, I based this article off of other good articles on schools, such as Benet Academy and École L'Odyssée (which is also a foreign-language school). Please consider too that being this a small-town school, there weren't too many references to put to it, besides some which are kind of repetitive. Regards, --Lester Foster (talk | talk) 20:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response. I might just make a few small pares and then figure we're good enough in that respect. When I edit, I'm an editor, not a reviewer. Feel free to revert if you disagree. North8000 (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay!

Resolved. Not perfect in that area, but OK enough to not impact passing GA. North8000 (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could you, with the first use of the term in the article, briefly explain what the "PSU" test is? Thanx. North8000 (talk) 21:00, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Lester Foster (talk | talk) 21:05, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. North8000 (talk) 21:17, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria

Well-written

Meets this criteria. See closing note.North8000 (talk) 11:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Factually accurate and verifiable

Meets this criteria. North8000 (talk) 11:52, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Broad in its coverage

Meets this criteria.North8000 (talk) 11:52, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each

Sufficiently meets this criteria. See closing note. North8000 (talk) 11:50, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

Meets this criteria. North8000 (talk) 11:24, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Illustrated, if possible, by images

Passes this criteria. Has 4 images, all are free so article-specific use-rationale is not required. North8000 (talk) 23:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, this article passes as a Good Article! As noted, it could possibly use a bit more paring on some very detailed information contained, but this is a minor suggestion, not a GA passage issue. The level of detail that made it in regarding accomplishments might give it tiny-bit-POV appearance, but such actually comes from the nature of coverage in sources. Again, congratulations!...I will implement the details. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations - this passes Good Article

(I have "duplicated" this here for when the review is no longer transcluded.) Congratulations - this passes Good Article! In the review I made suggestions for further development. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for reviewing the article! Lester Foster (talk | talk) 13:31, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vanity / wp:undue efforts

I support efforts to remove the Vanity / wp:undue material. But I think that the picture of the debate team is OK. North8000 (talk) 01:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah - you are probably right. I'll put it back in. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the table of individual PSU scores, and the prose text which includes names of individuals (including my name). I will make a clarification here: the content is relevant to Chilean schools, and that's the main reason why I added names and specific scores where relevant (and when available). Removing these contents would be an error. I have reviewed the policies cited by the user above (WP:BLP and WP:COI), and I sincerely don't think there is a conflict of interest. If I were to publicize myself, I'd do it for other things, for real. I've got better things to promote, haha. If you are to remove the content again, please discuss it here, before you do it. Kind regards, Küñall (talk) 05:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Küñall - who self-identifies as Diego Grez Cañete, a former student of the Colegio - has repeatedly gone out of his way to insert his entirely non-notable self into this article and the deleted (as non-notable) article on the Colegio 'student center', and had even gone as far as to create a ridiculous category just to include himself on it, I'm not going to discuss this here, as it is clearly a behavioural issue. I'll be starting a thread at WP:ANI tomorrow. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:33, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Küñall, long story short, what you are trying to do is a bad idea and improper in Wikipedia terms. You should stop. North8000 (talk) 12:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cheer C.P.S.

The "Cheer C.P.S." section is a full copy/paste of a deleted article (Cheer C.P.S.). The reasons for the deletion of that information were provided at the time of the deletion proposal. As a fact, that article was created by Küñall, the same user of the Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre article, who also had related incidents some months ago. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sfs90, the article was deleted based on the grounds that high school cheerleading groups are not notable enough to have their own article, as the deleting admin wrote me in a message. Content was merged in here because it is its 'mother article'; content is referenced thoroughly and it could not be lost all at once. Btw, I don't get what you mean by "related incidents". Please elaborate. Küñall (talk) 17:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, as I stated on my most recent edit summary, reverting and reverting is unhelpful, unconstructive and will not take us anywhere. Please do not revert my edits to the article, and please state your reasons here before. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason (which seems to be your reason). "Copy/pasting" isn't a crime either (I did myself write that other article...) so... Küñall (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The sources seem reliable enough to me, at least the Chilean online newspaper articles. The third source, Cheerleader Classic, seems more dubious. Is there an issue with the content itself, beyond the fact that it was added by Küñall? Huon (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A question. "The team, composed of 28 teenagers —most of them Preciosa Sangre students— and their teacher Claudio Rojas, collected funds to travel to the United States..." What does 'most' mean, and how does a school cheerleading team include members who don't attend the school? AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input Huon. Andy, most of Cheer CPS members were Preciosa Sangre students, but not all of them were. Reason was (from my personal knowledge) that the remaining schools in the commune were so poor the nuns supported Rojas' idea to include external students as members of the squad. Küñall (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]