Talk:Climate of London

Non-NPOV statements in this article

Weather articles find themselves particularly susceptible to to non-npov statements. We need to keep a vigil on this sort of thing. I've removed a few statements that I had already removed from the climate section of the London article.

with warm but seldom hot summers, cool but rarely severe winters

Whether or not a temperature is warm, hot, cool or severe is 100% pure unadulterated point of view. Readers of this article will have a different perception of what 'hot', 'warm', 'cool' and 'severe' means depending on what sort of climate they're used to. If I were to apply my point of view to wikipedia pages you'd be reading an opinion that suggest 20 degrees celsius is cold, 26 is warm/comfortable and 36 is hot.

London's average annual precipitation of 584 mm (22.9 inches) is lower than that of Rome or Sydney And in London’s A statement such as this one, left unqualified, is open to the interperetation that this is some sort of unusual phenomenon or that London has better weather than Sydney and Rome. The truth is, all sub-tropical regions receive more rain than temperate regions but unlike temperate cities, sub-tropical cities generally receive that rain in short spurts of heavy rain. They have fewer rain days and shorter periods of rain within those days.

It is generally felt that the British climate turned warmer in around the mid 1980s and if averages were available for more recent periods, they would probably show somewhat higher average temperatures.

I removed this because it is unqualified, unsourced, it seems to be based on anecdotal evidence and is attempting to discredit the official statistics based on that anecdotal evidence.

The truth is everybody is surprised to see their 'average' temperature figures. That doesn't make them inaccurate. It's merely an example of how Anecdotal Evidence can be, and usually is, unreliable. Factoid Killer 19:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Subtropical regions receive more rain than temperate regions? Not true, a lot of the the subtropics is arid or semi-arid. Humid subtropical areas have many rainy days - for example Sydney and NYC each have more rainy days than London does. Jim Michael (talk) 09:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

BBC Weather Source

Firstly, the link provided as the source of this information only links to a 5 day forecast and doesn't contain any of this data.

Secondly, it contradicts the Met Office data.

Thirdly, by suggesting that London's avg daily high temperature for the summer months actually does sit at around the 24 degree mark, you're suggesting that london summer temperatures are basically identical to those of Los Angeles and Sydney. I find that very difficult to believe.

If a decent source cannot be provided i'm going to change the data back to that sourced from the met office. NSWelshman 23:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the current table also contradicts the mean daily high temps shown in the graph below it. NSWelshman 23:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Article issues

This article has been around since 2005 and comments concerning WP:NPOV and anecdotal evidence issues were noted (above) in 2006. There are many issues that should have been resolved years ago but has escaped without even having tags.

• This article, with a totally unsourced lead is nothing but climate tables. A lead is a summary of referenced content in an article so the lead content is generally allowed not to have references listed. The lead is "stand alone" so needs additional content in the body or to be referenced. What has been referred to above as "unqualified" is a nice way of stating original research.

• The Heathrow - Airport Weather Station to the west of London table is the same as the one listed in the London article (that shows this as a Main article), that is pretty much the same table except apparently the "extremes 1948–" addition throws the top line (Record high °C (°F)) off. This comes across as a contradiction without some qualifying content to note the difference.

• The references here, and here for the tables are not accurate in either article as they are a "fill-in-the-blank" page and a general reference page both requiring more searching. This is a round about way to ensure synthesis. The references need to support the content. Otr500 (talk) 01:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Comment: It is true that these 3 issues are mentioned. For the "extremes 1948–", this is incorrect and should be "extremes 1948–present". In fact the London article fails to mention the period of reference for the extremes so that article needs fixing. The Met Office source does show the averages although only for average high, low, precipitation and sunshine if you click on the averages table. For the KMNI page, that is the more problematic one but unfortunately, the Met Office refuses to provide record temperatures by month for each station unlike other national meteorological organisations such as NOAA, Bureau of Meteorology and Metéo France. I do understand what you meant by "fill-in-the-blank" page as it may not be that obvious for new users to the page but unfortunately, certain sources do not have a direct url to the data and there is no possible way to do it. This is actually tolerated in many good articles and featured articles such as Washington D.C where the data is not directly there and you have to fill it in as not url for it exists. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at this and the additions. I will explore it a little more when time allows. Would not "...where the data is not directly there and you have to fill it in..." and fill in the blanks be the same thing just worded differently? Otr500 (talk) 11:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Climate change

I think global warming is dead we could die by 3000 like that’s a worry for me because I’m in the future with my kids and other things like that it will just write me and I’m 11 years old and studying about global warming it’s scary I just looked at climate data from London weather centre from 2001 to 2014 Showing bad stuff like January high Celsius average brackets Fahrenheit so it was 8.5 in brackets 47.3 and that’s high very hot firm and then January daily mean it was and 6.7 in brackets 41.1 in Fahrenheit which is really hot young very average low wages not the loafer us in London which is 5.0 which is 41.0 witches 41 Fahrenheit which is 41 Celsius which is 41° which is really high. In March average high Celsius in brackets Fahrenheit it was 11.7 in brackets 53.1 which is 53 Fahrenheit and that is a lot. March daily mean Celsius bracket Fahrenheit was 8.8 which is 47.8 in brackets and that is really Bad like it needs to change.Like I’m 11-year-old child studying about this and like I thought some adult would get to a book obviously not they just move on to Boris Johnson the Prime Minister of London recently and they haven’t sent anything about climate change agent said stuff about the danger in London stuff like that and he’s like the other Donald Trump but the London Donald Trump like London need to fix up so yeah that’s an 11 year old talking about climate change and I’ll publish them. Thank you Chinanansimmphilip (talk) 08:59, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

what

what - SummerSolsta7 (talk) 07:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

23.3 C 73.9 F

Is this really the warmest overnight low? Or is it the highest 24 hour low, which are cooler as they include most of two days. Anyway it's 25/77 early this morning and will hardly go below 27/80F before midnight tonight, so, new record today 18 July 2022? B137 (talk) 07:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Its the warmest overnight low, which in the UK is calculated from 9am local time to 9am local time the following day. This means that cooler temperatures that set in during the evening after a heat wave cannot undo a record set the previous night. And yes, the record has now been broken by a significant margin, just as the record high has. I'm just waiting for an official statement so we have something to link to that won't disappear. —Soap— 20:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)