Talk:Cliff swallow

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Cliff swallow colony size

Hello! I'm going to be making a minor, 2 sentence change to the article about cliff swallow colony sizes based on the article "Spatial and temporal unpredictability of colony size in Cliff Swallows across 30 years" (Brown et al. 2013). Let me know if it needs better wording or changes in general.

Here is what I was planning:

American cliff swallows nest in colonies ranging from a few breeding pairs to thousands of birds, depending on the area and year. The number of breeding pairs in an area generally increases with temperature, though larger colonies are more likely to suffer from parasites and intraspecific competition ^[1]

Thank you!

AmelieFr (talk) 00:58, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Brown, Charles R.; Brown, Mary Bomberger; Roche, Erin A. (2013-11-01). "Spatial and temporal unpredictability of colony size in Cliff Swallows across 30 years". Ecological Monographs. 83 (4): 511–530. doi:10.1890/12-2001.1. ISSN 1557-7015.

Move to Cliff swallow?

I'm having trouble understanding why this page is at "American cliff swallow", with "Cliff swallow" redirecting to Petrochelidon. I know it's the IOC name, but WikiProject Birds says "Wikipedia bird article titles may diverge from the IOC list when the most common name in reliable sources is different from the IOC name.", which is clearly true here - all the references to this article use "Cliff swallow", and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any reliable sources at all that use "American cliff swallow" (on Google Scholar the only ones I see are papers that are actually about South African cliff swallow, and use American cliff swallow when mentioning it incidentally). Furthermore, I can find no evidence that "Cliff swallows" is ever used as a generic term for Petrochelidon, nor any evidence that any other species (e.g. Preuss's cliff swallow) are ever referred to as just "Cliff swallow". Seems pretty clear to me that essentially everyone searching "cliff swallow" will be looking for this species, and that the appropriate common name for this species is "Cliff swallow".Somatochlora (talk) 13:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Cliff swallow. Primefac (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC) Primefac (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

American cliff swallow → Cliff swallow – [reposting my comment above using the proper process] I'm having trouble understanding why this page is at "American cliff swallow", with "Cliff swallow" redirecting to Petrochelidon. I know it's the IOC name, but WikiProject Birds says "Wikipedia bird article titles may diverge from the IOC list when the most common name in reliable sources is different from the IOC name.", which is clearly true here - all the references to this article use "Cliff swallow", and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any reliable sources at all that use "American cliff swallow" (on Google Scholar the only ones I see are papers that are actually about South African cliff swallow, and use American cliff swallow when mentioning it incidentally). Furthermore, I can find no evidence that "Cliff swallows" is ever used as a generic term for Petrochelidon, nor any evidence that any other species (e.g. Preuss's cliff swallow) are ever referred to as just "Cliff swallow". Seems pretty clear to me that essentially everyone searching "cliff swallow" will be looking for this species, and that the appropriate common name for this species is "Cliff swallow". Somatochlora (talk) 13:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

so I never saw the discussion, so I'll add a few cents. I don't mind the American cliff swallow being called simply cliff swallow since I'm an American and that's what we all call them over here, but the IOC has a number of species called cliff swallows, and may be confusing worldwide. The IOC has Red-throated cliff swallow, Preuss's cliff swallow, Red Sea cliff swallow, and South African cliff swallow......Pvmoutside (talk) 17:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Brown, Charles R.; Brown, Mary Bomberger; Roche, Erin A. (2013-11-01). "Spatial and temporal unpredictability of colony size in Cliff Swallows across 30 years". Ecological Monographs. 83 (4): 511–530. doi:10.1890/12-2001.1. ISSN 1557-7015.

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