Talk:Cliff Brumbaugh
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Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Jonathan Stoklosa with then-U.S. vice president Joe Biden
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that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who can lift up to 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned one of the world's best gymnastics judges, Delaware's "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the man who "practically invented the modern sports mascot", a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?Source: see all the respective articles- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Grave with the Hands; Template:Did you know nominations/National Women's Basketball Association; Template:Did you know nominations/Iona Allen; Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Golz (2/3); Template:Did you know nominations/New England Revolution in international competition; Template:Did you know nominations/Ukraina, North Dakota (2/2); Template:Did you know nominations/List of presidents of Centre College; Template:Did you know nominations/Chesterfield Market
- Comment: Trying my craziest DYK nomination ever! Have been working on all the inductees for this year, only just realized that it'd probably be an awesome mega-hook (there has been precedent for similar things in the past; see Wikipedia:Did you know/Multiple Article Hook Hall of Fame).
Note that two do not yet qualify (Van Sickle, Brumbaugh - why I haven't bolded yet), as I still need to 5x expand them, but I needed to make the nomination now so the oldest one (Raymond) would still be eligible.I also have a date request if this goes through: the hall of fame is inducting the mentioned sportspeople on May 23 this year. I think it would be really neat if this could be scheduled for then. Thanks!
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 152 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing.
- Despite what the bot/tool says, you owe 10 QPQs as you seem to already be aware.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for offering to review – just note that
Van Sickle andBrumbaugh are not yet ready – I'll make sure to 5x them within the next three days (nominated now so as to not exhaust 7-day eligibility of Raymond). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)- Gotcha. Well done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for offering to review – just note that
- I forgot to say let me know when all the articles are ready for evaluation.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- 5x expanded Caitlin Van Sickle (calculated it needed to be 7,725+ – currently ~8,200). Just Brumbaugh left to do. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Expanding Brumbaugh is taking longer than I thought, but I'm almost certain I can have it done by the end of tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Was able to finish Brumbaugh tonight. Needed to be 10,725, now is at ~13,000 bytes. @TonyTheTiger: All the articles are ready for review now. (Still have to do the QPQs, of course). Also, tell me your thoughts of the date request I mentioned? Thanks! BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Collapsing individual article reviews as everything was addressed. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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- The date request window is 6 weeks, I believe. So you can only request dates within 6 weeks of the date that you nominate a hook. You can read further about special occaision requests at WP:DYKSO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Crap! I was never aware of that! And just two weeks off. Is it possible to IAR, something? One of the main reasons I nominated this was in hope that it could be set for that date... BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It says
exceptions to the six-week limit can be implemented by way of a local consensus at WT:DYK.
I'll open a discussion about it once the reviewing is done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It says
- Crap! I was never aware of that! And just two weeks off. Is it possible to IAR, something? One of the main reasons I nominated this was in hope that it could be set for that date... BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- The date request window is 6 weeks, I believe. So you can only request dates within 6 weeks of the date that you nominate a hook. You can read further about special occaision requests at WP:DYKSO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Your hook is generally confirmed with all facts cited properly. Please tweak it per my suggestions and propose new ALTs.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review - will make sure to get to everything soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- All articles are well-cited.
- All articles are generally neutral.
- A few articles need better paraphrasing. Some elements of the hook need to be more concise. I have also made some cleanup suggestions surrounding infobox improvement possibilities.
- QPQs pending.
- Can someone with the perms switch the image to this high-quality version found here? I don't have the permissions. Bremps... 06:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: I believe I've addressed each of your comments about the quality of the articles. I also completed all 10 QPQs. Let me know if there's any other issues. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: In case you didn't get the previous ping. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- QPQs look good although you have not signed off on my third article yet.
- Where is the latest hook?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: Responded to Brumbaugh; you said for Cannon the medals thing was something for outside of DYK, so I hope you'll be alright if I just make that a task for later?; as for the ALTs, here appear to be the possibilities:
- ALT3 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the man who "practically invented the modern sports mascot", a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- ALT4 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted up to 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the man who "practically invented the modern sports mascot", a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- ALT5 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted up to 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- ALT6 ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include someone with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a U.S. champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a professional baseball player in five countries?
- Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger: Responded to Brumbaugh; you said for Cannon the medals thing was something for outside of DYK, so I hope you'll be alright if I just make that a task for later?; as for the ALTs, here appear to be the possibilities:
- First, the image file is properly PD.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
I'll leave it to the promoter to decide between the various tweaks. I would prefer the shortest just because of the overall length of the hook, but the promoter is free to make the final choice. I remain intrigued and await further detail on Cannon as time permits. Nothing is necessary now though, but keep in mind when this goes on the main page, it may be the most pageviews that any of these pages ever receives. You may want to put everything you can into it before the main page run to get feedback from all those eyeballs. Everything is in order for a DYK run. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Great. Thanks for the reviews. I'm going to open a discussion about getting this featured on the requested date, as mentioned at the DYK guidelines. So to anyone looking at this: don't promote yet! BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Follow-up: the consensus was in favor of allowing the special occasion request, so this can be promoted for the requested date when the appropriate prep becomes available sometime in the next few days. (Promoter: please be sure to add a comment to the hook in prep so people know it's a special occasion request and don't try to move it to another date. Thanks.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- At 471 prose characters, I think even ALT6 can be made more brief; it's currently the length of three long hooks. While I'm admittedly not sure of reducing "professional" to "pro" in Brumbaugh (though "five" to "5" is standard at DYK), the Stoklosa "someone" can certain be "a man", and "turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge" in Hamilton can easily be "turned Olympics judge"; I've also removed "U.S." from Levine, since she wasn't the U.S. Champion but she won an event in a national collegiate championship, taking it down to 438:
- ALT7: ... that this year's inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include a man with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured, left), an "average gymnast" turned Olympics judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a pro baseball player in 5 countries? —BlueMoonset (talk) 05:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- At 471 prose characters, I think even ALT6 can be made more brief; it's currently the length of three long hooks. While I'm admittedly not sure of reducing "professional" to "pro" in Brumbaugh (though "five" to "5" is standard at DYK), the Stoklosa "someone" can certain be "a man", and "turned Olympic Games gymnastic judge" in Hamilton can easily be "turned Olympics judge"; I've also removed "U.S." from Levine, since she wasn't the U.S. Champion but she won an event in a national collegiate championship, taking it down to 438:
- Follow-up: the consensus was in favor of allowing the special occasion request, so this can be promoted for the requested date when the appropriate prep becomes available sometime in the next few days. (Promoter: please be sure to add a comment to the hook in prep so people know it's a special occasion request and don't try to move it to another date. Thanks.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Great. Thanks for the reviews. I'm going to open a discussion about getting this featured on the requested date, as mentioned at the DYK guidelines. So to anyone looking at this: don't promote yet! BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
GA Review
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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 01:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 13:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section):
b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
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- Overall:
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- Lead needs expanded a lot.
- Expanded.
- Link baseball in lead.
- Linked.
- "Clifford Michael Brumbaugh" needs to be cited in the first sentence of the body.
- Done.
- Split "Early life and college career" into their own level-2 sections ("Early life", "college career")
- Done.
- "for the Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens" change to "for the Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens of the University of Delaware"
- Done.
- "in Wilmington where he was" comma before where.
- Done.
- "509 and 31 runs batted in," already abbreviated RBIs earlier so change it to RBIs.
- Done.
- "271 with 21 hits and 11 runs batted in" same here.
- Done.
- "Delaware American Legion Player of the Year, for his play with the Stahl American Legion team" shouldn't American Legion be linked in the first part of that sentence? Also change the link to American Legion Baseball.
- Done.
- Added Nippon Professional Baseball outfielders cat.
- "having 41 hits and an on-base percentage" link Hit (baseball) and On-base percentage.
- Done.
- For that matter, let's go back to "He also placed second in runs scored" and link Run (baseball).
- Done.
- "Brumbaugh started in 47 of 49 games and" link to Starting lineup.
- Done.
- "As a junior, Brumbaugh helped Delaware reach the NCAA Tournament while batting .442" They're not listed at 1995 NCAA Division I baseball tournament? Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens baseball doesn't have them at the tournament in 1995? Also, link NCAA Tournament.
- Well, that's confusing. Given that they don't seem to have made the tournament that year, I removed it from the article.
- "He immediately became a starter and one of the best in the league for the Renegades" I don't see where that source says he was one of the best in the league? Maybe you can move ref 12 up there that says he was MVP.
- Done.
- "19 doubles, four triples and two home runs" link triple.
- Done.
- "in addition to 15 bases stolen" link stolen bases.
- Done.
- "He was asked by the Rangers to become a power-hitter and "delivered" on their request" Change to Texas Rangers per source. There is some confusion here since the previous sentence mentioned Charlotte Rangers.
- Done.
- "He improved over the second half of the season as he had promised to fans" when was the second half of the season, was that during June/July or after??
- Not sure – should I just remove it?
- It just reads a little confusing right now because it said he was Player of the Month in June and then an All-Star in July. Then the next sentence says he improved over the second half of the season. How could he improve on being an All-Star? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Moved that sentence to before the all-star part – does that work? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- It just reads a little confusing right now because it said he was Player of the Month in June and then an All-Star in July. Then the next sentence says he improved over the second half of the season. How could he improve on being an All-Star? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure – should I just remove it?
- "He was at-bat twice and struck out" link at bat and struck out.
- Done.
- Add 2x Korean Series champion to infobox.
- Added.
- "his batting average set a long-standing record among all foreign players" Did it get broke or something?
- It was still standing as of 2012 (when the source was written); I wasn't able to find anything after that (there's a decent possibility its been broken in the past 12 years so that's why I worded it that way).
- "slugging percentage" probably a link for that.
- Done.
- "due to a nagging Achilles tendon injury" I don't feel like translating Korean so I'm going to trust that the source says that?
- "He left South Korea following the 2009 season" Did he become a free agent or something? He didn't get released?
- The source translates (for this and the above comment)
Furthermore, his long-distance hitting power declined rapidly due to an Achilles tendon injury. In the end, Broomba had to leave Korea, where he had grown accustomed, at the end of the 2009 season.
It doesn't seem clear if/how he became a free agent, etc., just that he had to leave at the end of 2009. Thoughts?- Ok, let's just leave it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The source translates (for this and the above comment)
I think that's everything. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Excellent work on this. I just have one more thing: could you work KBO batting champion into the lead somehow please? Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- "He improved over the second half of the season as he had promised to fans, having the majority of his home runs and RBIs during that time." Ref 18 doesn't even mention Brumbaugh? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Outfielder Cliff Brumbaugh vowed he would have a great second half and he delivered for the second consecutive year. Brumbaugh had 20 of his 25 homers and 57 of 89 RBIs after the midway point" – I also added batting champion to the lead. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 18 doesn't go to that. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lewis, Barry (September 17, 1999). "Letdown? Not for Drillers". Tulsa World. p. 19, 24 – via Newspapers.com. – click "24". BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I didn't see that pg 24 link. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lewis, Barry (September 17, 1999). "Letdown? Not for Drillers". Tulsa World. p. 19, 24 – via Newspapers.com. – click "24". BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ref 18 doesn't go to that. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Outfielder Cliff Brumbaugh vowed he would have a great second half and he delivered for the second consecutive year. Brumbaugh had 20 of his 25 homers and 57 of 89 RBIs after the midway point" – I also added batting champion to the lead. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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