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Add 2024 World Series champion for Kershaw?

Hello. Since the Los Angeles Dodgers won the 2024 World Series, is it okay to add the year 2024 as a two-time World Series champion in the infobox even though he didn't pitch in the World Series due to some sort of injury he had during the 2024 season? --Allen ^{(talk / ctrb)} 07:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the policy is just to list them as world champions if they were on the world series roster. Spanneraol (talk) 12:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Introduction: Change "and a World Series champion in 2020" to "and a World Series champion in 2020 and 2024."

Under Career highlights and awards: Change "World Series champion (2020)" to "World Series champion (2020, 2024)."

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/clayton-kershaw-dodgers-world-series-shirtless-photos#:~:text=We%27re%20now%20talking%20about,his%20second%20ring%20for%20it.&text=The%20past%2C%20present%20and%20future%20aces%20of%20the%20Dodgers. Tex90211 (talk) 23:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: WP:BASEBALL's longstanding consensus is to only do this for players on the active World Series roster, lest we have to include every random player who appeared in a single game for the team in the season. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Les we have to” accurately describe something on Wikipedia? Every newspaper in the country reports he is a 2024 World Series champion. Major League Baseball states he is one. His hall of fame plaque will list it. Every interview he gives and book written will mention this. A player could play 162 games + the NLDS/NLCS but if they’re injured and can’t play in the World Series, their Wikipedia page will purposely not list them as a World

Series champion?

I truly don’t understand how the decision years ago by a handful of people supercedes common sense objectivety AND factual information. Do you like doing this every year? It’s okay to admit mistakes were made and reverse course. 2603:8000:D003:A752:1D77:D21F:D35B:BB3C (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why you used MLB as an example because his page at MLB.com does NOT list he is a World Series champ in 2024. And, as someone who has been reading the coverage carefully, most newspapers do not mention him as a champion either, just as a supportive presense in the dugout - if he is mentioned in the article at all which, more often than not, he isn't.

The policy by WP:Baseball is pretty much the one adopted from Baseball Reference which states that anyone on the World Series roster will be listed as a World Series champion and not otherwise. Its the same as MLB.com's policy - though their pages are not entirely reliable because their WS-crediting policy varies from case-to-case, especially for older players. Its not perfect and can SEEM unfair but its better than the alternative of giving credit to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who made even one regular season appearence for the team but didn't do much else. Omnis Scientia (talk) 05:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for bringing up an old topic, but I noticed that Bref lists Kiermaier as a 2024 World Series champ (MLB.com does not), even though he was left off the WS roster, so their policy may be to include anyone on any postseason roster. Namelessposter (talk) 15:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Trust me, this topic comes up pretty much every year!

About that, I'm not entirely sure. For BBref, in some cases, players who made appearences in the postseason but were left of the WS roster are listed but, in some cases, they aren't. But that's why I said "pretty much"; Wiki policy is not entirely the same as BBref which I guess allows a bit of gray area.

Perhaps @Yankees10 can explain a little more about that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like Clayton Kershaw's World Series totals to be updated 2× World Series champion (2020, 2024) DavidNewt (talk) 02:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done.. see above.. dont need to keep asking the same questions. Consensus is to only include it if they were on the WS roster. Spanneraol (talk) 02:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add the 2024 world series to his stats 2600:1012:A023:360E:7D9A:542E:701C:38C5 (talk) 18:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Spanneraol: Is this the discussion where WikiProject Baseball decided to recognize only players on the postseason/WS roster? Or is there a separate, better link with more concrete Support/Oppose/Consensus statements? It looks like this issue will continue coming up for a while so it may be a good idea to signal boost the original discussion.

And to clarify: Am I correct in stating that Wikipedia only recognizes guys on the WS roster, so people like Kiermaier who were on the postseason roster but not the WS roster don't get recognition? Namelessposter (talk) 18:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes to both questions. This comes up after every World Series and fades away after a few weeks. Spanneraol (talk) 18:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It shows that Kershaw only won a World Series in 2020 and not 2024. 2600:1700:940:74F0:5CE:DF6B:F4A6:CB08 (talk) 02:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the above conversation for clarity. Red Director (talk) 03:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2x World Series champion 2024 2600:8801:47FA:8740:C8CC:D1B2:CCCB:7997 (talk) 17:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, for the reason addressed in the sections above. Larry Hockett (Talk) 19:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then why is Reggie Jackson, who did not play in the 1972 World Series due to injury, listed as having won the 1972 World Series? 2603:8000:D003:A752:1D77:D21F:D35B:BB3C (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be an error on his article. Spanneraol (talk) 21:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That “error” has been there for years. Same with the “error” listing Sandy Koufax as a World Series champion in 1955 even though he didn’t pitch in that one. That particular “error” has been there for literally decades. I have a feeling these “errors” don’t go corrected because there is nothing to correct. 2603:8000:D003:A752:D1D2:EFB1:44A5:A7DD (talk) 14:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They aren't errors. There is a difference between not appearing in the Series and not being on the roster. You give Sandy as an example. Well, he was on the roster of the 1955 World Series, present in the bullpen for each game and even warmed up a few times to enter. He was available for relief at any time. He just never made an appearence.

Its similar to how Austin Barnes and Andy Pages didn't appear either this World Series either but were available. Clayton was not on the roster at any time and was not available at all. Omnis Scientia (talk) 04:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]