Talk:Cinderella (2021 American film)

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Cinderella (2021 soundtrack) was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 21 August 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Cinderella (2021 American film). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Genderless fairy-godparent

What is this chit even? Why couldn't a fairy-godparent be male, since it's played by a male actor identifying as a gay man? How does the "genderless" part affect the character? What are they even thinking?--87.255.89.160 (talk) 17:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article text is consistent with reporting by reliable sources. This talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, and is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. ―DanCherek (talk) 17:19, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Live-action "record"

Per this edit, I do think it is trivial to say that this is the first live-action remake film since Cinderella. It is not a defining feature of the film and it has not been pointed out by sources. It seems to be just fancruft "fun fact" that is not actually relevant to the film. I do not think it belongs in the lead. BOVINEBOY2008 12:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was added again[1] and again[[2] ] but it is not clear what point the anonymous editor was trying to make, so I removed it again.

If there hasn't been another Cinderella film since 2015 I'm not sure how that is significant. Also the lead is supposed to summarize the article WP:LEAD and it is not mentioned anywhere. -- 109.76.142.195 (talk) 22:28, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anon cannot take a hint, a warning comment was added but they ignored that too.[3] It has been days, so I have taken this disruptive editing to the administrators noticeboard[4], I want them to block the one editor causing this problem but I expect they lock the page. -- 109.78.204.92 (talk) 11:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Same disruptive anon editor at it again.[5] Slightly more coherently written but still the same trivial inconsequential point about there not having been a Cinderella film since 2015. -- 109.78.202.99 (talk) 02:50, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Original idea?

I understand that Hollywood and marketing people like to throw around the phrase "original idea" and have sometimes have their own particular notions of what that means, but this reinterpretation is clearly based on the existing "Cinderella" fairly tail, and no reasonable person would claim otherwise. It is not appropriate for an encyclopedia to take such claims as face value and it would be more objective and neutral to use other phrasing and not overstate the claims of originality. -- 109.79.176.66 (talk) 13:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Critical response summary in intro

Someone attempted to add a summary of the Critical response to the intro.[6][7]

The article introduction or "lead" is supposed to summarize the contents of the article not introduce new material. WP:FILMLEAD reaffirms this, it should be a summary of what is in the Critical response section. If you believe that Menzel and Porter were praised then you should find reviews that support those claims and add them to Critical response section, before making any changes to the summary in the intro. Any summary you do include in the intro should be supported by multiple sources to ensure it is a fair generalization, and not just cherry picking from one review. If in doubt discuss here first. -- 109.78.204.92 (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation with Cinderella (Lloyd Webber musical)

Both are musicals with the same name that were first released in 2021, the major difference being the Lloyd Webber version is a stage production and this version is a film production.

The following probably should be included at the top of the article:

SINGmeAsadSONG (talk) 11:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SINGmeAsadSONG: That is not needed. No one is going to search for (2021 film) and mean the musical. There is already enough disambiguation in the title that we don't need a hatnote to disambiguate further. The musical doesn't even have 2021 in the title. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 12:56, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed reviews

The reviews: RT 42%; MC 41%; Metacritic says "mixed or average". That seems pretty clear and unambiguous.

Anyone that does not think the reviews for this film were mixed should WP:DISCUSS and show the sources that support their opinion. It is difficult to understand why anyone would argue about this, unless they are actively ignoring the sources and just want to dump on this film. An encyclopedia should try to follow what the sources actually say. I don't believe for one second that the edit warring anon ipv6 editor who wont even bother to write edit summaries and came back to vandalize it more after the lock expired last time, will actually discuss this but maybe by leaving this explanation other editors will revert the vandalism when it happens again. -- 109.78.194.120 (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 04:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– Similar to Cinderella (2015 Disney film) and Cinderella (2015 Indian film) or Sing (2016 American film) or Sing (2016 Hungarian film). ~~On a side note, this is not a coincidence.~~ (CC) Tbhotch^™ 22:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support: both country of origin and "contrasting descriptive adjectives" are supported by WP:FILM. I think American/Indian hews more closely to the guideline. The adjectives used as examples, live-action/animated and feature/short, are more directly contrasting than musical/horror. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 04:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Country of origin is less ambiguous and more contrasting than genre. Should be the preferred disambigation. -- Ab207 (talk) 08:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Rename the Cabello film to Cinderella (2021 American film), and the Raai Laxmi film to Cinderella (2021 Indian film). --Kailash29792 (talk) 09:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why is the redirect banner on the main page showing "A request that this article title be changed to Cinderella (2021 Disney film) is under discussion." even though this film is a Sony/Amazon joint?--Nhoj609 (talk) 02:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Cinderella (2021 film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Cinderella (2021 film). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 3#Cinderella (2021 film) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 22:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Genderless* fairy-godparent