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Twixmas

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"Twixmas" redirects here but is not mentioned in the article. I assume it is the period between Christmas and New Year. --Jameboy (talk) 17:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd never heard of it before seeing your comment, but you're right about the meaning. Wiktionary has a definition... [1]. HiLo48 (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Between Christmas DAY and New Year's Day. It's still Christmas after Christmas Day. 82.45.172.71 (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Start of Christmas season very early

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Did you know that the Philippines has the longest Christmas season in the world, with Christmas preparations and celebrations begins as early as August? Joshua (talk) 15:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't know that. Do you have a reliable source supporting that claim? HiLo48 (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 December 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Cremastra ‹ u — c › 22:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas and holiday season → Holiday season – This is the most common way to refer to this time period that occurs every year. It is also the most neutral unlike titles like Christmas season. Interstellarity (talk) 14:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I won't take a firm stand here, but it's worth observing that in countries like Australia and New Zealand (and probably other southern hemisphere countries), this is known as the Summer Holiday Period. Schools are typically closed from before Christmas to the end of January. The emphasis on Christmas is slowly disappearing, apart from in the retail world. HiLo48 (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA24 - Sect 200 - Thu

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 5 September 2024 and 13 December 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Nutnutt12 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Nutnutt12 (talk) 00:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Christmas_and_holiday_season#c-Nutnutt12-20241211002100-Wiki_Education_assignment:_Research_Process_and_Methodology_-_FA24_-_Sect_200_- 80.5.185.106 (talk) 06:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear

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Apart from 'Christmas' and 'Christmas season' having several meanings in application, once we try to come up with a universal non religious sounding term for the period containing Christmas we are apparently in great difficulty. I though 'Festive Period' had taken hold, but apparently not. In the UK, "holiday" usually means what in the US is called a vacation, though 'bank holiday' and 'public holiday' do not have the same sense.

I'm struggling with the idea of Christmas starting on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. I don't doubt that celebrations start then, but that is not the same as Christmas starting then, although there is the same problem of lack of clear / unequivocal terminology for what is being celebrated between 8 and 24 December.

Good luck! 82.45.172.71 (talk) 17:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 December 2024

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Christmas and holiday season → Festive season – There have been a few move requests for this page over the years, including one which concluded just a few weeks ago. However, as far as I can see, there has never been a move request to this particular target article title.

The present title, “Christmas and holiday season”, feels something of an awkward compromise title between “Christmas season” (which excludes other festivals in this period, such as Chanukah) and “holiday season”, which aside from other issues is ambiguous.

“Festive season” is quite a commonly used term to refer to this period, while benefiting from very little ambiguity. It is a much more natural and straightforward article title for this page. Rafts of Calm (talk) 22:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of supporting, however while I would support a name change to Christmas and festive season, since 'holiday' is an American only term in this context, I think because of the number of people who celebrate Christmas compared to other celebrations, it makes sense for it to be in the title. 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙢𝙖𝙣地形人 (talk) 22:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Holiday" (singular) may be an American only term in this context, but here in Australia and, I suspect, many other countries in the southern hemisphere, our long break from work or a school happens at his time of the year, three weeks for many businesses, and around six weeks for schools. A common name for this period is the Christmas holidays. I find the name of this article, although no doubt an American one, fits our scenario quite well. HiLo48 (talk) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but exactly, Americans would call those three weeks off a 'vacation', when they say holiday they mean a festival like Christmas or 4th of July. 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙢𝙖𝙣地形人 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Festive season" opens the article up to all religious and secular festivities, in all countries, at any time of the year. In those countries that have non-Christmas traditions and history, "Festive season" has no connection to the subject currently covered by this article. To keep it focused, some mention of Christmas does seem to be needed. "Secular Christmas festivities" or "Secular Christmas period" might work, which have the advantage of sidestepping meanings of the word "holiday". The religious activities are already covered in Christmas and Christmastide. MichaelMaggs (talk) 23:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The present title is perfect, and was worked out in move discussions as a good compromise. Christmas and holiday season says it all and includes the complete set of religious and secular holidays, celebrations, and observances. "Festive" casts religion aside, the very meaning of both Christmas and the holidays. You may be thinking of Festivus? An RM was concluded 10 days ago, and this one is set smack dab in the central part of the Christmas and holiday season where editors will be busy with...holidays, celebrations, and observances. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, festive relates to festivals. Please note that holidays is an american term when used to refer to christmas and such. 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙢𝙖𝙣地形人 (talk) 03:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Way too soon after the last RM, this isn't usual Wikipedia practice and this RM should be closed. As for American terms, I think the article is in American English. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be clear I don't support the proposed name change. However I disagree that the title of the article should include a use of a term only used in the US becasue the page is written in American English. This is an article which covers the topic from an international view not just the US. What dialect the article is written in is beside the point. 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙢𝙖𝙣地形人 (talk) 03:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note these n-grams. If holiday is only used in the U.S. then festive does not improve the title by then leaving out American usage, which is why I mentioned American English. I agree with you that if the name is changed to include 'festive' then it should be Christmas and festive season, so the choice offered in the nomination should be between that and the present title. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t really agree with singling out any one festival. Yes, there are more Christians in the world than adherents of Judaism or other religions, and consequently also more secular observations globally, but that doesn’t mean we should give preference to Christmas. That would be like writing all articles in American English because the highest number of Wikipedia editors/readers are from the US. Rafts of Calm (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't understand that argument. Christmas and its secular aspects is intentionally the focus of this article. 'Festive season' is a completely different and extremely broad subject, including Australia Day (26 Jan), Venice Carnival (Feb), St Patrick's Day (17 Mar), Buddha Day (May), and many, many more. MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm, on your first point, the article does discuss the different and contested terminology used to describe the period, but I read it primarily about the period itself. On the second point, while acknowledging St Patrick’s Day and others are festivals/public holidays in certain countries, I believe the overwhelming interpretation of the term “festive season” is the end-of-year period in scope of this article. Rafts of Calm (talk) 11:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's a strong assumption there about the worlwide prevalence of the American term 'Festive season'. MichaelMaggs (talk) 12:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Appreciate your views and of course happy for this move request to remain open for as long as need for all interested editors to provide views. I appreciate the recent requested move closed earlier. However, as I explained in my move request, there had not been a previous request to this article title. While I don’t agree that “festive” disregards religion (the term derived from Christmas, Chanukah any others being religious festivals), at the end of the day we need a term that meets WP:CRITERIA rather than our own personal preferences. Rafts of Calm (talk) 13:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The name is ambiguous. The article focuses mainly on non-Christian involvement in the Festive period. No matter if "festive" casts religion aside, that's kind of the whole point of the article. CallMeHyphen (talk) 09:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just move it to Holiday season. Hyperbolick (talk) 10:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with holiday season is that the term commonly refers to the summer holiday/vacation period in Commonwealth countries. Rafts of Calm (talk) 11:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the article title has apparently been stable for almost 2 decades and was decided upon based on the fact that it was impossible to come to an agreement without opening up Pandora's box for continuous debates about cultural differences in the name of the season, so I'd say we leave it as is. "Festive season" is too broad and also appears to be unheard of in the U.S., while "Holiday season" has the opposite problem. The season was originally referred to as "Christmas season" ubiquitously and is still known by this name in ALL jurisdictions around the world, even in the U.S. where "holiday season" is more prominent but everyone still understands "Christmas season" to be the same thing and synonymous. All the other names have varied recognition and comprehension across regions of the world. As for concerns that it "favors" Christianity, that would be like saying that "summer season" favors summer, of course it does, because that's the season being described. Christmas season is what it has been called. Other minority holidays were just added in later, and the name was changed later, for reasons including political correctness and sensitivity.McRandy1958 (talk) 21:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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