Talk:Cecily Neville, Duchess of York

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Split

Split it between Richard's III mother and her neice. Bevo74 (talk) 12:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean his niece ie her granddaughter, who is actually named Cecilia. Smlark (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Burial Location Inconsistant

Cecily's Wikipedia page says buried with Richard at Church of St Mary and All Saints Richard's Wikipedia page says he was buried at Pontefract Castle.

Which is it?

Mellie107 (talk) 07:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cecily's grandson Richard was only 4 years old in 1477. No evidence he was ever married, unless there was another grandson named Richard other than Richard of Shrewsbury. 68.8.193.13 (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC) It is well-known that he was married to Anne Mowbray (1472-81), daughter of the Duke of Norfolk. #### — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smlark (talk • contribs) 18:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In 1461 he was buried at Pontefract and then in 1474 he was reburied at Fotheringay, where she eventually followed him. Basket _Feudalist 16:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Imaginary novel?

You say 'An imaginary novel about Cecily entitled The Rose of Raby...' This was a real novel. I've seen a copy of it. Maybe some researcher might be able to trace author and details. Valetude (talk) 18:35, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Untrue statement

Currently the article says that "assuming Edward was not premature (there being no evidence either way), Richard of York would been several days march from Cecily at the time of conception". This is not true. Edward could also have been slightly late. It's not as though every baby pops out at exactly 38 weeks. If Edward was born just 38 weeks and 4 days after conceptions, his father would have been in Rouen at the time of conception. This whole line of argument is so ridiculously tendentious. john k (talk) 22:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thirteen children?

Why is she given two sons named Henry? Not only have I never seen a source for this, but it is improbable as the first one could have lived for a few years. Smlark (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Now the page has been altered but "Joan" is included. She is totally fictional, as the R3S Research blog has shown. https://riiiresearch.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/the-myth-of-joan-of-york-or-joan.html Smlark (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also suspect that Henry lived for a year or two, based on the fact that Edward' christening was very low-key thus he probably wasn't the eldest surviving son at his birth.Smlark (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Titles?

As of a few months ago, Cecily had several titles to which she was entitled to in her info box. There were solid sources to back the info. I understand it was a tad much in her box, but those titles were extremely important. Is there a reason these are not stated elsewhere in the article at least? -- Lady Meg (talk) 02:52, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do we not even have her title of “Queen by right” mentioned?? In 1477, following the marriage of her grandson Richard of York, the Duchess was accorded the title ‘Queen of right‘ after using the title of ‘Cecily, the king’s mother and late wife unto Richard in right king of England and of France and lord of Ireland’ since 1464. Lady Meg (talk) 05:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Surname

How can she be listed with her own maiden name but her husband's peerage? Cecily Neville on its own would likely suffice, but she might also be Cecily Plantagenet, Duchess of York. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 22:07, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or just “Cecily, Duchess of York” — even the Duke isn’t “Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York”. They didn’t use a surname as I understand it. Lady Meg (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What a shame the article is in such state

Such a key political player and such a unworked article! The mother, grandmothers, great-grandmother and great-great grandmother of kings. She deserves better than this. Anna (talk) 20:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]