Talk:Catholic Relief Services
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Scandals section
[edit]The scandals section reflects accurate and important information pertaining to a Catholic organization. If there is a dispute regarding the use of certain words or phrases, then by all means, edit the words. But the information is pertinent to the organization itself. If the information is disputed, then by all means ... add counter information and citations. But don't merely delete the section because you don't like it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatholicMan2016 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Based on the use of quotes around the word "marriage", as well as the inclusion of several seemingly minor incidents, it seems that this section was written with an agenda. Moonboy54 (talk) 04:15, 11 October 2016 (UTC) Buddy1031 (talk) 20:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm appalled by the section "Controversies" formerly "Scandals." Catholic Relief Services has a stellar record helping people. They do not discriminate. To point out that an employee is gay is frankly just ridiculous and petty. Wikipedia is about facts, this entire section is opinion. If this section is not deleted soon, I will delete it myself. Buddy1031 (talk) 20:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
The "Controversies" section is written with a partisan slant. There's a clear homophobic agenda in pointing out that one of the employees is gay and using quotes around the word "marriage" when talking about LGBT marriage. Additionally, how is it a "controversy" that an organization trying to prevent HIV would promote condom use? -Shaun Plander, 12/24/16 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8097:95F0:30D6:9A76:50AC:46B5 (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
- LifeSiteNews, RedState, and the Lepanto Institute are not acceptable reliable secondary sources for these kinds of claims. Find better sourcing. And use inline citations, not external links. 72.201.104.140 (talk) 02:30, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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Rewrite of controversies section for egregious NPOV violations
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Since 2007, Catholic Relief Services has been the subject of a number of scandals and allegations regarding its funding relationships and activities. Various news sources and researchers have traced CRS's funding practices and grant-related activities to support for abortion and contraception.
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The section as it stood previously was nowhere close to WP:NPOV. Reports that CRS activities may have been connected to abortion and contraception, for example, are perfectly valid controversies for a Catholic organization. At the same time, sources that target individuals for "standing with Planned Parenthood", the personal political donations of CRS employees, and the marital relationships of CRS employees are completely ridiculous for a serious encyclopedic article.
There is merit to discussing how other Catholic organizations find some of CRS' activities to be controversial, however the current section reads like a one-sided attack that practically quotes directly from blatantly anti-CRS sources. Sources which show various biases can be reliable and a valuable part of an article, but being neutral does not mean simply repeating what a source says. Quotes like these were allowed to stand in the article since at least 2016:
- "COREgroup, an organization that pushes contraception."
- "CARE International, a contraception and abortion-promoting organization."
- "CRS had contributed $2.7 million to a population-control organization called Population Services International (PSI). PSI, which was founded by an international pornographer, provides abortion, contraception and sterilization to poor people in third world countries" (this one is the most egregious NPOV violation)
- "...when confronted with this information, CRS's response was to collaborate with PEPFAR to have the public record altered so as to expunge any reference to Healthy Choices II under CRS's project... However, documentation with CRS's letterhead obtained through the Freedom of Information Act show that CRS's denials are patently false."
Given how blatant the NPOV violations were, I have removed the controversies section for the time being and relocated it here. I am hoping that other editors, especially those more familiar with CRS and other Catholic NGOs, can craft a new section that better covers issues like CRS actions supporting (or being seen to support) abortion and contraception against Church teachings. RA0808 talkcontribs 21:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC); edited 01:01, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- I’ve removed this again because it’s full of links to non-RS and is basically undue weight from the right fringe of the American political spectrum. Seeing as everyone who has commented here over the years basically agrees it is not great as is and would need a complete rewrite, I’ve removed it. Per WP:ONUS it should not be restored without consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- RA0808, if you still feel this way, would you mind reverting the last restoration? I've reverted it the last few times, and would prefer someone else do it this time. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ Winters, Michael Sean (Oct 1, 2013). "National Catholic Reporter". Germaine Grisez on Pope Francis. National Catholic Reporter.
- This section could probably be cleaned up by somebody using good editorial judgment. Apparently, there is a valid controversy going on here. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- BeenAroundAWhile, well, it’d need reliable sources to be covered, and most of the sources in the article aren’t. I can see maybe a sentence or two, but the current mass listing is a major UNDUE violation. 9000 bytes of text over it is pretty excessive, especially when sourced to fringe/partisan press. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- This section could probably be cleaned up by somebody using good editorial judgment. Apparently, there is a valid controversy going on here. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
It appears that at some point this section was restored with a long list of WP:UNDUE criticisms sourced to fringe sources. I've removed it and replaced it with a one-sentence placeholder. CapitalSasha ~ talk 03:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I think better explanation of why this text qualifies as a mass of NPOV violations is needed. I can certainly see a number of problems with the text, but it's not at all clear how the four quotes listed by RA0808 are NPOV violations when taken at face value, not even the one which he describes in bolded text as "the most egregious NPOV violation". I certainly acknowledge that providing a clear explanation of why the text should be removed won't stop editors from periodically restoring it, but having transparent reasoning for removing a huge chunk of sourced text is still of value.--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Ukraine
[edit]I want to know what CRS is doing for Ukraine. I want to donate to this country, but no where do I find anything about CRF’s support for the Ukrainians.
What are you doing to help Ukraine so I can donate through CRS?
JoAnn Vorst 206.127.51.57 (talk) 06:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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