Talk:Carver High School

So many Carver High Schools still needing articles

There are so many! A few include:

Alabama: Dothan (Artis Gilmore attended [1]), Eutaw, Gadsden, Union Springs, Carrollton

Arkansas: Augusta, Lonoke, Marked Tree, North Little Rock, Stephens, Earle, Moro (Lee County)

Florida: Century in Escambia County (it is the black school discussed, but never by name in Escambia High School#Mascot Riots, Crestview (A Band in Every School: Portraits of Historically Black School Bands in Florida), Naples

Georgia: Carrolton (aka Carroll County Training) a source, Dawson, Douglas, Hamilton, Monroe, Richmond Hill, Monroe , Jakin Isabelle Daniels attended

Iowa George Washingto Carver Academy in Waterloo, Iowa.

Tennessee: Brownsville (done), btw Tina Turner attended

Louisiana: Kinder, Breaux Bridge, Bunkie, DeRidder,Shreveport, Sunset,

New York: Springfield Gardens New York: George Washington Carver High School for the Sciences, a Carver that's still open today, could use an article. Jacona (talk) 18:29, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Mississippi: Hopewell High School, later George Washington Carver High School, near Philadelphia, MS needs investigation. added.Jacona (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Poplarville, Mississippi Jacona (talk) 18:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Bassfield, Collins:Charleston in Tallahatchie County (Allen Carver High School) has a lot of sources. Eventually merged with East Tallahatchie during integration

Maryland: Baltimore, Cumberland, Lexington Park, Elkton

Massachussets: Carver, Plymouth,

North Carolina: ZAppomatox (aka Carver-Price), Kannapolis, Mt. Olive, Pinetops, Spindale, Winston-Salem

Oklahoma: OKC

South Carolina: Lake City, Spartanburg

Tennessee: Dayton

Texas: Aldine, Amarillo, Dawson Edna, Ennis,Carver High included in EJHS history project | Ennis Garland, Greenville, Karnack, Lockhart, Naples, Pampa, Waco

Midland and Sweeny have been added

Virginia: Appomatox, Chesapeake, Culpeper, Fieldale, MArtinsville, Newport News, Ridgeway, Salem Jacona (talk) 18:51, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by JaconaFrere (talk • contribs) 01:01, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Careful...there may be many of them but are they notable enough to write about? DMacks (talk) 09:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Black kids went there, so should we do our best to keep them out? Sourcing is more difficult in many ways for these articles due to bias, but nevertheless, no articles have been added without adequate sourcing. Jacona (talk) 11:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

We should do our best to follow WP:RS. I made no claim about the difficulty in finding sources, only in one of our content policies. Obviously Wikipedia:Systemic bias is a real concern that could affect the availability of sources (and by extension, what we are contrained to write about). But you might want to check your own chip on the shoulder if you are seeing everyone here as having biased intent. DMacks (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry you take offense. You're a good and very experienced editor, and in no way mean to suggest that you personally are trying to express bias against black schools. I have no idea of your attitudes and opinions, and sorry that my comment may have come across as directed at you. I do think if you look at the warning you posted, the manner that high schools are normally accepted as notable if they can be proved to exist (although that is now being discussed), and the 7 Carver High Schools and other "black school" articles I have created, that the warning is unnecessary. It is difficult to find sources on these black schools, because even in the case where these schools have been quite large and existed for many decades, the media that we presume to cover high schools have for the most part studiously ignored their existence. Nevertheless, each article I've created has had multiple reliable sources. I appreciate your looking at these articles, we need all the help we can get and I certainly don't mean to offend. Jacona (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries...obviously hard to read intent from some WP comments, especially if we don't have experience with each other's edits. Thank you for creating articles about the missing schools! I have sat out the "are high schools by default notable" debates because it's frustrating that consensus keeps not getting established (or keeps changing). Makes it hard to just write an encyclopedia if the amount of work we need to do just to get an article "started" is fluid. DMacks (talk) 05:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. That unending discussion is annoying. In addition to the bias we regularly discuss, these schools also suffer from bias because because they were almost universally closed around 1970, and demoted to junior high/middle school classes, while the white high schools continued to exist. They were obviously not "equal" in any way, including so many things that result in being recorded in what we now call a "reliable source". Our (most of the time) assumption that high schools are notable and lower schools are not helps perpetuate the bias.Jacona (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

The 1963 edition of Patterson's American Education lists 86 Carver's. Jacona (talk) 21:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Carver High School (Century, Florida)

A large section, Escambia High School#Mascot Riots, covers the merger of a black school into a white one, with the black one "demoted" to a white school, with the blacks subjected to a school song of Dixie and a nickname of Rebels and the Confederate battle flag as it's emblem. There was a riot, death threats, cross-burnings, gunshots, arson, and more, but not one mention of the name of the black school, George Washington Carver High School in Century. There should be an abundance of reliable sources.Jacona (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

some more carver article possibilities

Carver High School (Columbus, Georgia) is a redirect, there are at least two notables Jarvis Jones and Jasper Sanks, likely there will be plenty of sources I started the school in Brownsville, Tennessee: Over 100 years old, at one time 1,600 students, notables including Tina Turner

"G.W. Carver Middle School (Miami, Florida)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect G.W. Carver Middle School (Miami, Florida). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2019 (UTC)