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I really think the link at the bottom to "Capos" should be done in some other way (for example, look at the way Sex is disambiguated). It doesn't seem right for that word to be nestled right beside a link to a brand of guitar capo. Just not sure the right way to do it. Also, on a Capo disambig page it might be good to include "Capo" as a musical word (e.g. da capo). Queerwiki 02:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Name

What does "capodastra" mean and what language is it? This should be explained in the article. Badagnani 20:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to erase the bit at the end of the first paragraph: "Many people use a kind called the Kyser quick-change. This is common because you can pull it off fast." It seems gramatically incorrect, and just pointlessly dealing with a single brand/type. --Aznpride481 05:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well its true that many people do in fact use a kyser brand capo because you can pull them off fast, maybe something more acceptable would be "The use of one particular brand of capo, [Kyser|Kyser Brand capos], has been popularized by artists such as james taylor for the ease of use and fairly rapid transition speed the accessory offers" Something like that I guess, the kyser variation is probably of note, granted that all capos do the same thing, so using a different capo would be pretty much just a matter of very specific preference. As a side note, in my experience skilled guitarists looked down on people who use capos.Schnauzerhead 08:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Kyser capo is ubiquitous in American folk. I agree that many skilled guitarists think a capo is "cheating"... these tend to be blues/jazz/rock players. 76.210.71.240 (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capotasto is Italian. Capodastro looks like it's not. I've searched for the word in three Italian vocabularies, and in online dictionaries (notably http://www.garzantilinguistica.it): no sign of the word capodastro or "capo d'astro". I'm also a guitar player and I've never heard of the "capotasto" being called "capodastro". On the other hand, "capodastre" is French for capotasto. I'd say it's a Gallicism, not actually Italian. Akeiron 19:10, 31 March 2010 (CET)

I'm going to delete the "capo d'astro" spelling from the top of the article. I bet it's a modern uneducated americanism. Feel free to put it back if you've got proof that it is actually italian, and actually means "head of the fretboard" as the article currently claims.

While I'm at it ... (retrieves Italian dictionary) ... the Zingarelli says "capotasto" is a combination of "capo" and "tasto" dating from before 1647, and meant the nut of a stringed instrument. Also the italian word for fretboard is "tastiera" (which also means "keyboard", as in computers or pianos...).

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{{cite encyclopedia
  | dictionary = lo Zingarelli, Vocabolario della Lingua italiana
  | title = capotasto
  | edition = 12
  | year = 2007
  | publisher = Zanichelli
  | isbn = 978-3-12-517365-1
}}
</ref>

--BjKa (talk) 23:56, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Could include a section on the different ways people pronounce this word. I've always said it as cap-o. I live in Australia, and have noticed, only in the last year or so, people calling it kay-po. I've done some research and it looks like that's how a lot of American's say it. Interesting the way different pronunciations creep in. phocks (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kay-po is far the commonest pronunciation I've heard in the south of New Zealand since the early 1970s. Not sure if that's true in the rest of the country. I've occasionally heard cappo, but haven't taken enough notice to remember where speakers were from. Koro Neil (talk) 01:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Here in the UK I've never heard of it as anything other than a CAP-o. Booglamay (talk) - 13:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only ever heard insular Brits use /cap-o/ and heard /kay-po/ everywhere else, but certainly some linguist could post something definitive. -LlywelynII (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kay-po is the most common pronunciation of the word. Never heard someone calling it a cap-o. Mr. C.C. (talk) 03:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have ALWAYS heard /kay-po/ in the US. 76.210.71.240 (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the only people i know who know what a capo is call it a kay-po. I live in New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.149.158 (talk) 18:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was pretty surprised to hear 'kay-po' - As the article says, it's from Italian so CAP-o seems the obvious pronunciation to me, never heard anything else until a youtube session just now Happypoems (talk) 23:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kay-po might be the most common pronounciation, certainly it is in the US, but kah-po is still common in the uk (at least) and closer to the root of the word. Differences in pronunciations of words are not uncommon and if you google 'pronounce capo' you will see people asking the question. I reckon the pronounciation difference is worthy of a mention.188.223.98.200 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's been pronounced "kay-po" in the U.S. for too long to consider it a "common mispronunciation". There are plenty of words pronounced one way in the U.K. and another way in America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.215.166 (talk) 02:50, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The A has to be long or it would be PP. This is standard English pronunciation. The Italians say carp-oh, more or less. They certainly don't say Cap-oh. Superkeeper (talk) 03:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

The link to making your own capo at thestringery.com appears to be dead. The site home makes reference to the site being broken and in the process of being fixed so I left the link alone. I'll try to remember to check it again on or about 20 July 2009 and if it still down I'll remove it unless there is an objection. Vectorscalar (talk) 06:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Now Vectorscalar (talk) 03:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harmonic Capo

Maybe someone could add a bit info on the harmonic capo from Bob Kilgore (weaseltrap.com), what it does and all. Not meaning do do advertising, but it seems that this is capable of more than conventional capos, even if i don't exactly understand it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.20.37 (talk) 14:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It also would be awesome to add some history of harmonic capo - firstly it was mentioned by Hans Reichel (as long as I know) in some mid to late 70's and you can see photos of him in this period with this capo. This info is mentioned at http://www.weaseltrap.com/FAQ.html , but not very clear. Also there is no exact dates of capo's invention. I think that Hans was the first one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.189.176.231 (talk) 03:42, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

too short

its too short many things like more images and pronunciations should be added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.235.159 (talk) 11:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Songs

Should we write some songs that are notable for capo use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.114.192 (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trigger

A very civil email has come in from Dunlop, who own the trademark for the term Trigger as applied to capos. I have discussed genericisation of trademarks with the gentleman, and he entirely accepts that this may be considered generic by some, but I have also checked the article and the term "spring clamp" also seems to be appropriate. Nobody wants to start a war; if everybody in the entire world uses "trigger-style" then so be it, but Dunlop have to take reaonsable steps to prevent dilution of trademarks and this unquestionably is a registered trademark of tiers. Ticket:2014020510012948 for anyone with WP:OTRS access.
I stress again: the are very polite and not at all strident or demanding. I think this would be a good time to show some class, but not to the point of compromising our principles - if someone has a really good source that discusses exactly this issue, then by all means please include it. Guy (Help!) 22:37, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated

All the link in the article are dead, just to let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.227.165.208 (talk) 21:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Single Handed Shubb

I can change the position of my Shubb single handed <pause> </pause> there, that didn't take long, did it? So why do the article say this isn't possible - I'm no Harry Houdini Stub Mandrel (talk) 16:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Clear consensus for "no primary", but the disambiguation may need a separate discussion. Favonian (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Capo → Capo (musical device)
Capo (disambiguation) → Capo

– There are 27 entries listed upon the Capo (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the name of the musical clamping device has such instant recognition throughout the English-speaking world that it overwhelms the combined notability of the remaining 26 entries. I would also support the short form Capo → Capo (device), if preferred by consensus. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support making the dab page primary -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 06:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. One indication that this ptopic is not working well is that there are a fair number of mistargeted wikilinks pointing to the basename which are intended to refer to the Mafia term. No preference between the two disambiguators proposed. Colin M (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Also consider the simpler Capo (music), see Neck (music), Sound board (music), Bow (music), etc. 162 etc. (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Caporegime gets more views (23,967) than the device (3,986)[[1]] and Google shows the device first but it doesn't seem enough to be primary especially given there are several other uses that come up. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No primary topic here. The Mafia ranks and concentration camp post are just as notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - a propos of absolutely nothing, nobody has shown or suggested that anything or even everything on the dab page comes close to capo for long-term historical significance or pageviews. The mafia one is a partial title match. Red Slash 19:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not a partial title match. As the first sentence at Caporegime says, that title is usually shortened to just "capo". See the "Mississippi" example at WP:PARTIAL for an analogous situation. Colin M (talk) 20:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Being older does not necessarily equate to having more long-term significance. The Mafia and concentration camp terms have been around for a very long time and have huge long-term significance. And as Colin says, the Mafia title is invariably shortened to capo, so that is a total non-argument. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Cejilla

I don't see mention of the traditional cejilla, or flamenco capo. These differ from the other capos described in that they use no metal or plastic parts. Also, many flamenco players use one of these on the 2nd fret nearly all of the time, because they prefer the action of the instrument with that set-up. This is a significant use of the capo, and should rate a sentence or two.