Talk:Camera operator/Archives/2019

Requested move 18 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is no consensus for the proposed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) qedk (t 桜 c) 12:22, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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Camera operator → Cameraman – This is an appropriate move based on several WP:TITLES considerations:
— It is demonstrably the WP:COMMONNAME as seen in comparisons on Google Ngrams, worldwide Google Trends, Google Scholar (18,400 vs. 54,600 results), and on Wikipedia itself (1231 vs. 4854 results).
— It is a term which does not imply a specific gender[1], and even if some editors consider it to, then it is an WP:NPOVNAME which documents the use of the term in the world as it is, not how it "should be".
— It is highly Natural for being a term that, 1) many readers are specifically searching for, as shown by the relatively high number of daily hits to the "cameraman" redirect (about 10% of the article's hits) and 2) is highly-used by editors with 203 direct Mainspace wikilinks.
Opposers are sure to cite MOS:GNL, which I must remind is a guideline related to Wikipedia-created text - it is not WP:TITLES policy. Foundational values of WP:VERIFIABILITY and WP:NPOV must come ahead of our personal views. -- Netoholic @ 10:37, 18 April 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 11:26, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Camera operator" is the term used in the industry, and has been for quite some time. See [2], [3], [4], etc. -- The Anome (talk) 10:52, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

  Sounds like you're advocating for WP:OFFICIALNAME interpretation, but per that page, it is WP:TITLES policy that takes precedence, and it reads: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used. "Cameraman" is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic. Your position contradicts our policy. -- Netoholic @ 12:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

• Speedy close. This nomination appears to arise out of discussion at Talk:Chairman (and Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2019 April#Chairman). Timrollpickering (Talk) 12:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

  Patently ridiculous. -- Netoholic @ 12:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

  You aren't assuming good faith. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. "Cameraman" gets 3x the number of search results as "camera operator". Rreagan007 (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. The current is fine, and the proposed is needlessly gendered. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:13, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME is meant for the standard, dominant name, not necessarily the most popular name. In this case, "camera operator" is the standard industry term. Nanophosis (talk) 04:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

  WP:COMMONNAME says pretty much the exact opposite of that: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". -- Netoholic @ 08:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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