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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Calais came to be called the "brightest jewel in the English crown" owing to its great importance as the gateway for the tin, lead, cloth and wool trades?

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calaisturbo

What is calaisturbo? Mathiastck 18:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Length of the Meter?

The length of the meter was based on the survey from Dunkirk to Barcelona. Perpignan did indeed play a role, but Calais doesn't seem to have been involved. See Ken Adler, The Measure of All Things, on the subject of this surveying expedition. --Reuben 17:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted that section. Dunkerque is not far from Calais but it's not quite the same thing. --Cavrdg 09:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kales

Unclear why the Dutch name for Calais is mentioned (at all, really, but especially so prominently, even in bold). Is Dutch widely spoken in Calais? Also unclear whether the Dutch name really is Kales, since the Dutch version of the article is titled "Calais", but cites "Kales" as the Flemish form. The French version of the article cites "Kales" as the Dutch form and "Cales" as the West Flemish form. -86.140.131.100 21:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The spelling seems to bear great similarity to the ancient Greek Boread, Kalais. The English transliteraton would be Calais. The spelling is also strikingly similar to the ancient Athenian, Callias? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.4.8 (talk) 13:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Flemish and Dutch are the same language; just separated by being in two different countries, Belgium and the Netherlands. In Flanders both Flemish and French are in use.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 03:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was flemish speaking for a long time - until many people emigrated to Germany. In French Flandre still there are people to understand flemish. So mentioning it is OK! - But what is the etymology of its name? May be it is latin, since the Romans have been here for some centuries. But they usually overtook older names, only making them sound latin. So which language does it come from? There must be a literature on this subject! 130.133.155.69 (talk) 08:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Between France and Norway??

The first sentence in this entrance mention Norway. Should it not be England? Antoher thing about it: "its site might be expected to be inhabited" sounds wired. Knut A

The origins of Calais are obscure though its site might be expected to be inhabited. It stands on the foreshore of the last piece of solid geology on the south and east coast of the North Sea between France and Norway.

Calais/Kales <-> Calamine/Kelmis

These pairs of names seem too similar in both Dutch and French to be purely coincidental. They are both also somewhat near the French/Belgian border. I think they probably have the same ultimate etymological source. I'd like to learn more about this. Thecurran 17:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page: http://www.calais.ws/History.html suggests that "Calais" comes from the Calèteses or Cauchoiss tribes.

This page: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/be-wlgkm.html says that 'calamine' comes from the low latin calamina which seems to come from the Greek kadmeia, named after a zinc ore mine near Thebes.

Also, Kelmis isn't very near the French/Belgian border (in Belgian terms). (It is, however, near the Dutch/French language border.) --David Edgar 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'could of flooded'

Change 'of' to 'have'?

Just Do It, eh. —Tamfang (talk) 06:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No history section

I'm no expert in the field by any stretch of the imagination, but surely there should be a history section? Especially as Calais was ruled by England until 1558 and was the last remaining English territory on mainland France? Whitstable 14:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, different article, missed that! Whitstable 16:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

longitude Wrong in Google Earth

Could someone who knows how to do it please investigate why the Google Earth Push pin for Calais turns up near Damerham in Wiltshire at 1° 51′ 23″ W instead of 1° 51′ 23″ E.

Thanks Ant (talk) 11:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[Nothing about] the immigrant conflict

i was held at knifepoint in Calais earlier this year, i read into it, and i found out there is a large international conflict which has thousands of immigrants hiding in the shrubs, aided by french red cross. They hide in 'Zi Des Dunes' in the Port area of Calais, and come out at night and try to get into trucks, sometimes paying there way, to make it into the UK' There have been reporters killed, tourists, and I even I was held at knifepoint by 7 of them near a truckstop just outside the port.

Here are some links to news articles describing the ongoing conflict, infact in march 2009 police did raids of the dunes.

daily Express - http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/96196 ASYLUM CRISIS ALL UK'S FAULT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.136.222 (talk) 11:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another article about the murders in Calais, resulting from the conflict http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/murder-in-calais-spreads-fear-among-asylumseekers-hoping-to-cross-channel-531969.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.136.222 (talk) 11:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment of my expanding edit of 4 July 2015, creating main article 'Migrants around Calais', I ought to have mentioned that I also removed some information from the old version of Calais#Recent migrants-problem, but I forgot to mention that, and I apologize for that:

“UK reported the number… increased year-on-year (2011-2014)”: that is being said in one source, but NOT directly linked to Calais, so I removed it (but source BBC 2 July 2014 does return in my new article, as ref 5);
“sneak into a lorry carrying chocolate”: yes, but that did not bring them to England. (That source, BBC March 2015, does return in my article as ref 13.)

I hope, someone will take up the challenge to integrate, merge, the two articles and one article-section which now seem to cover largely the same events and topic: Migrants around Calais, Calais jungle and Channel Tunnel#Asylum and immigration. At the moment, and for some time coming, I won't have time to do that myself. If all correct and relevant information gets put together in one complete article, then Channel Tunnel#Asylum and immigration can be replaced with a short summary, referring to that (new) main article. --Corriebertus (talk) 12:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Transport

Is it worth mentioning that Saint-Inglevert Airfield is 13 kilometres (8.1 mi) from Calais? Mjroots (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Thine Antique Pen (talk · contribs) 15:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will review this article. --Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 15:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Its pretty comprehensive I think, I put a lot of time into researching it, any issues should be minor I believe.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Yeah, it's quite good. I've done a few minor fixes.

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
I like it.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Well, references seem to be reliable. There is lots of 'em too.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Shows main points but with all minor detail included.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
I see nothing wrong.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It looks to be in quite good standing. No current edit wars, etc.
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
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Pass/Fail:
I'll pass this one! Nice work, Dr. Blofeld! --Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 16:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes, that was quick! I thought you might have expected more information on the universities or something which I think is the worst part of the article, I'll see if I can dig up some brief info on some of the main ones, just to make it a bit more interesting!.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't really care about the universities bit, have it, or don't. --Thine Antique Pen (talk • contributions) 16:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few red links which I should be able to fill in the coming days... Actually looking for more about the universities it appears to be the usual faculty stuff on the websites nothing interesting to say as such. None of them are exactly Oxford..♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Town or city

Is Calais called a town, city or both? This article calls it in different places a town and a city, but uses town more. Is it not very good practice to use a mix of two different terms in one article, like using two different spellings for one word, one should be consistantand only use one?

I see maybe the French language does not have separate words for both city and town like English and some other languages do, nor does France have an official city status like the UK does. But what is it referred to as in published sources written in English? My Oxford English Dictionary only uses the word port not town or city. If Calais is only referred to by one term then we should only use one term. Even if Calais is called both a town and a city, should we not mention this fact somewhere near the beginning of the article, then in the rest of the article only use one term? the most often used term probably. Carlwev (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A complicating factor is different usage in American and British English. Americans tend to refer to any urban area as a city (see Nutbush City Limits) while Brits will call the same place a town or even a village. French usage is closer to the British but there are significant differences too. --Ef80 (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dover-Calais ferry

Dover Calais ferry is currently a redirect to P&O Ferries#Dover – Calais. As there are also other companies operating ferries on this route I don't think the current target is appropriate. You are invited to the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 September 28#Dover Calais ferry regarding what would be better. Thryduulf (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ephemeral?

Why is this article in the Ephemeral Islands category? Kouban (talk) 06:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

very doubtful statement

" Francis, Duke of Guise (pictured), retook Calais, England's last continental possession, for France."

What continent is Gibraltar on ?Lathamibird (talk) 09:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was the last at the time. Plus, "England" has never possessed Gibraltar, which became British six years after the Act of Union '''tAD''' (talk) 03:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There where other English towns and places (within the Pale off Calais) and outside the headtown of Calais holding on after the Calais is said to have fallen to the invading French spearheaded/spellheaded by that non French Lothringen mercenary. 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:B581:F6B6:2663:526B (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gate of Calais

A notable landmark in Hogarth's time and subject of his famous painting/engraving. Worth a mention?

Also, what happened to it? 62.232.124.186 (talk) 11:40, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean ‘what happened to it?’ Seems interesting. 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:B581:F6B6:2663:526B (talk) 02:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs a byword on why (under the French) a nordic cross flag has come to stand for Calais?

If anything, should be less Germanicness to Calais since being within France and no longer within English Flanders (Pale of Calais). Anyway, Minds me of the creepy nordic crossed flag the annexation-minded French designed for Saarland (when under their yoke) which asidely bore an imperilaistic French tricolour within it's design...https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Flag_of_Saarland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.237.140 (talk) 13:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ambiguous pronunciation guide

"Calais (UK: /ˈkæleɪ/, US: /kæˈleɪ/, traditionally /ˈkælɪs/; French: [kalɛ]; Picard: Calés; Dutch: Kales)"

Traditionally in the UK, traditionally in the US, or both? 149.254.184.39 (talk) 13:36, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Caesar's departure point

This was put into the article by a new editor. I suggest it belongs here instead. "The preceding sentence is suspect for several reasons. Firstly the name Caletum does not appear in Liber IV of de Bello Gallico.^[1] Rather Caesar simply describes his departure point as Portus Itius. This is believed to have been near Boulogne. At that time Calais was an island in the North Sea.^[2] " Roger 8 Roger (talk) 02:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "C. IVLI CAESARIS COMMENTARIORVM DE BELLO GALLICO LIBER QVARTVS".
^ Adrian Goldsworthy Caesar, page 338

Seems the ‘pre-Pale of Calais’ history of Calais that it was an “English outpost” and “Dutch speaking” and something to do with the Count of Flanders. When exactly did the early historical Calais officially become annexed into France? 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:B581:F6B6:2663:526B (talk) 02:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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