Talk:C. W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute

This article was nominated for deletion on June 1, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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The article is not even about the school, its about the shooting incident which took place there. The incident is obviously more notable, therefore I will personally change this to a 'shooting article'. Blackjays1 01:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This just, just survived an AfD series on the school, the shooting and the shooting victim and the school's namesake. Yes the shooting dominates but can you leave it alone for awhile and let it find its legs? Canuckle
- See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute shooting and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Manners and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles William Jefferys
Huh? The school should have an article. It's a TDSB school. It's notable, moreso for having a shooting take place at it. In two years, when people decide to look up the article, they'll probably go to the school site. I'd argue moving it back, since it was moved without consensus and it was likely to be a controversial move. Let's get some consensus here, now. Flyguy649^talk_contribs 02:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Further, the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute was keep, not merge. The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Manners was keep/merge, with the idea that a merge would be into the school article, not the shooting article which was userfied on May 28. Flyguy649^talk_contribs 02:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - The school should at least have its own article, either containing or in addition to the shooting article. Canuckle 02:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, I will revert my edits and make an article about the shooting at some point. However, this article will need some major work if it's to be called a school article. To start, maybe there should only be a single paragraph or section that describes the incident. Blackjays1 02:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Appreciated. A simple fix might be just to edit the redirect on the school article so that it has the school content that was deleted, plus a paragraph on the shooting. Canuckle 02:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Separate school and shooting article

Do you think the portion of the article strictly about the school will ever get added to? Canuckle 01:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably not, I got lazy and decided to leave it alone. lol! Blackjays1 01:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This entry is VERY subjective and opinionated.

I find this entry to be subjective and grossly unfair to the school. The entry should be the school information: what the school specializes in and its history and background. The shooting should be a separate informational page pertaining to the particulars of the shooting.

The fact that the originator of this entry has seen fit to admit that instead of making this a more objective entry, has "gotten lazy" and decided to leave it alone makes the case for this page to be an unfair entry. This rather cavalier attitude can only make one believe that the originator has accomplished his/her goal and no longer has any interest in fairness or being objective.

The title that directs you is "C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute" and the total information about the school is relegated to a single paragraph, yet the remainder of the page is dedicated to the shooting of the student and alleged sexual assault and various other problems. There is no mention of it's well known arts program; it's excellent physical education program or other notable accomplishments.

The content of the page seems to actually be an attempt to smear and degrade the school. I refer to my earlier comment about the title, which is misleading. Surely this school deserves to be represented fairly and without bias. I submit that this entry be corrected in such a way to inform visitors to Wikipedia about the school curriculum, background and other information and that the shooting be made as an ancillary entry perhaps as "Recent Problems" or "Shooting and other complaints".

The way this page is set up, with its title and then the questionable content should not be allowed. If the shooting is part of a broader "school shootings" list then it should reflect that in the title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buskieboy (talk • contribs) 07:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify things, I am not "the originator of this entry". I moved this article to 'C. W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute shooting', because about 90% of the article is about the shooting incident and not the school. Many users who were watching this page (not long after the 'Jordan Manners' and 'shooting' articles were deleted) didn't agree with me moving the article. One user even sent me a message, on my talk page, begging me to change it back to 'C. W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute'. Eventually I did that, but I wasn't sure if it would have been better to split the article. If I split it, then the article about the school would have been a stub, and the sub-article about the shooting would have been way longer than the school article. Blackjays1 (talk) 14:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is biased toward negative events that happened at the school. I'll put up a POV tag --Pwnage8 (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing the POV tag. An article in need of extra support for balance does not equal someone "pushing" a POV. If ~~you~~ people want to add factual content about the school itself, then by all means do so. If ~~you~~ they want to propose a split, then propose it. But don't go about insulting other user's motives or contributions. without evidence. Canuckle (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not insulting people's motives, the article is mostly made up of negative events that happened at the school (there's also the section on alleged sexual abuse), and that means the information is not presented in a neutral manner. It makes the school out to be dangerous, when it's the safest in the area. I'd love to add information about the school itself, but I just don't know enough about it, nor do I have the time right now to look up information. The shooting doesn't require a split, because there's not enough info for an article of encyclopedic content. Wikipedia is not news. The POV tag is meant to alert readers that information is not presented in a neutral manner. It does not necessarily mean that someone is pushing a POV. --Pwnage8 (talk) 05:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may not have insulted motives (I had corrected my post to reflect that) but User:Buskieboy did. No one is "disputing" that there needs to be additional information on the school itself for balance, therefore the "dispute" tag is not the appropriate tag. I've added a tag requesting expansion of that section and deleted the sexual assault section. I referred toWP:NPOVD which says..."Simply being of the opinion that a page is not neutral is not sufficient to justify the addition of the tag. Tags should be added as a last resort." Canuckle (talk) 19:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for improvement

I will suggest some improvements – add more information about the school, such as extra-curricular activites. Once there is enough information about the school added, then make a single paragraph about the shooting incident. Also, try merging that paragraph about the sexual abuse into a paragraph about the new report which exposes the lack of safety in TDSB schools. (Also see [1] [2].) Once all of this is done, then copy-and-paste the entire 'shooting' section into it's own article. I also suggest splitting this article by using Columbine High School and Columbine High School massacre as a reference. Blackjays1 (talk) 14:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my mind on the split. I think that's what should be done. We should just have two sections under "Incidents", with a main article summary for the one on the shooting. --Pwnage8 (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I'll make small note to whomever cares: In reference to the sentence, "The case raised questions about the safety of Toronto's inner-city schools..." C.W. Jefferys is hardly "inner-city" in the literal sense of the term - it's north of the last stop on the subway, and it takes about 1.5 hours on public transit to get from the "inner-city" to Jane and Finch. I'm guessing this term was historically and correctly applied to Detroit or something at some point, and stuck. I feel so mildly about this, however, that I figured I'd put this in the discussion instead of editing the article. Just my two cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.225.173.9 (talk) 20:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

not Paul Godfrey - how about Paul Axelrod

Paul Godfrey did not attend CW Jefferys. It was founded in 1965, the year after Godfrey was elected and when he was 26. More likely he went to Bathurst Heights. Paul Axelrod however graduated in 1968. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JLubek (talk • contribs) 19:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shooting

It's been a long time since the shooting and there is no reference to it on this page at all. While this article is about the school, the shooting was perhaps what this school is most famous for. It was also quite a notable event in Toronto history.

I don't believe there is a page about the shooting or the victim anymore. Would this page be the place to add in information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.141.106 (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]