Talk:Burning of Cork

Major expansion

The burning of Cork was a major event of the War of Independence and I feel this article has been lacking in content for much too long. I've begun adding info from The Burning of Cork by Gerry White and Brendan O'Shea. I'll then move on to other sources. I've delt with the Dillon's Cross ambush and the burning itself. Tomorrow I hope to start work on the killings of the Delany brothers and the aftermath of the fire. ~Asarlaí 02:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up. It's a contentious subject, so it might be as well to flag up major reappraisals in advance. Looking forward to an improved article. RashersTierney (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Needs a paragraph dealing with the compensation eventually given to Cork Corporation and local businesses, including the complete cost of building a new City Hall. It was not "rebuilt" as suggested by the caption under photo of new City Hall. The old building was completely demolished and a much larger hall replaced it. Coolavokig (talk) 15:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I'll get to work on it as soon as I can. If you hav' anything at hand that can be sourced don't hesitate to add it in. ~Asarlaí 17:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

short footnotes {sfn}

Hello, in order to link the notes to the references, to remove {{cite book}} etc from the body text, and for further standardization, I'd like to covert the referencing system to {{sfn}}. If no one has any objection in 2 weeks 1 week, I'll do it. Thanks  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Given the volume of in-line/page-number type references, that seems sensible to me. Guliolopez (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, would be in favour of switching to a std format. Ceoil (talk) 23:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Since we already have 2 supports on an article that's not especially actively edited, maybe I'll shorten the wait period to 1 week.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't see a need even for that. Any format is better than a hodgepodge, some of which are ill formed. The last sustained editing on this page was in 2012. Ceoil (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Am working on refs but NOT FINISHED. The goal is no long text in references section (e.g., no ""Greenwood heckled on Strickland Report". The New York Times, 17 February 1921."). let's keep one format please. I know info is missing and some may be wrong. See meta:Eventualism  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 13:59, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Fine. Ceoil (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

NYT sources

• try looking at these: NYT Cork Burning  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 13:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

sources

If we're gonna take this to FAC, then many if not most of the sources need to be upgraded. "Roinn Cosanta. Bureau of Military History (1956)" is probably a primary source (which might be OK for an ancillary point such as a list of three names). Websites are questionable WP:RS and O'Donoghue, (2009) has a {{rs}} tag (which doesn't always mean it isn't RS, but still).  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 16:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but I'm not thinking anything like fac. What I see is very well written and a stable article, a credit to those who have tended. It my city of birth and residence, want to do research and heavy lifting here; I know all the streets and buildings burned in the photographs. Myself and Guliolopez got off on the wrong foot yesterday, but that is resolved as far as I am concerned. Ceoil (talk) 17:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

• I saw an old photo of the grenade ambush site on the internet  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Reprisal v suppression

Hi. In a recent series of edits, a change was made to the lead. Previously the lead characterized the subject event as an act of reprisal. (Reflecting the term used in the body. And sources used in the body. Like the CCC ref which describes it as an alleged act of revenge, or the White/O'Shea book which discusses the events among a series of reprisals and counter reprisals).

While I hadn't previously heard the events described as an act of "suppression", I left that term there. And simply readded "reprisal". As a sort of compromise. And to reflect the sources. And what we have in the body. That change however was reverted - with a suggestion that sources were needed.

In response to that request, I would simply note that there are already sources in the body which support the use of the term "reprisal". (A term quite commonly used for events in that period - and used in relation to the events in Cork specifically. Including by authors and sources cited in this article). While it seems somewhat pedantic to relist the sources already in the article, I will respond to the request, and list them here: like the RTE source (which uses the term several times), or the CCC source (which granted says "revenge"), the Examiner source (which says "reprisal for an IRA ambush"), and others.

I could (respectfully) reverse the request and ask for sources for the term "suppression". But would perhaps seem reactive, so will simply suggest the wording I'd proposed ("an example of a number of acts of revenge and suppression") foots a reasonable compromise. Sound OK Ceoil? Guliolopez (talk) 15:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

ha ha, perfect. I hadn't realised you are such a wanton and verbose time sink. SOFIXIT. Really. If you think I'm going to get sucked into your vortex of naval discussion, well think again. Ceoil (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I will ignore the unnecessary jibe. And simply take "sofixit" as an "OK" on the compromise wording. Guliolopez (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

For fuck sake, I'm being clear enough. Do what normal prople do and not bother me with bullshit about your decision making process. Ceoil (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

£3 million equivalent today

There is much back and forth regarding the figure of £3 million damage in 1920, and what it is equivalent to today (today being the end of 2019). Using the Template:Inflation we get the figure of £118 million for 2018 (the latest current available end year) or we could use the formula/figure £152 million that will update yearly as more data becomes available. We would still have to manually do a conversion yearly with the average £/€ rate. (which would be €134 million, using 0.88 £/€ average for 2018)

The real issue is that the figure is in GBP and not IEP (which started to differ in 1979). So I tried two ways to work this out.

• First using CSO. The Bank of England says £3 million from 1920 would be £2.36 million in 1922. Convert that to Euro (IR£2.36 = €3) and then put that into the CSO Inflation Calculator From Jan 1992 -> Nov 2019 and you get €154.84 million in 2019.

• The second way is since the GBP = IEP up to 1979, the Bank of England says £3 million from 1920 would be about £26.5 million in 1979 (for both GBP & IEP). If we then convert it to Euro (IR£26.5 = €34) and put it through the calculator at WorldData.info we get €165 million in 2019.

Personally I think the CSO figure is more trusted, and if we should be using a "equivalent to today" figure, (€155 million in 2019) would be the best solution? I don't think we're going to find a source for this otherwise.~ Ablaze (talk) 13:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

The blanket reverts of my edits

Please explain the blanket reverts of my edits. Primergrey (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Superfluous edits. 10pm is clear to everybody. No need to make that 10:00 pm, as you did with multiple times. The Banner talk 22:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)