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Cleistenes' Boule

Hello fellow wikipedians. I would like to develop this article further with additional notes on specifically the boule under Cleisthenes. I will focus on additions pertaining to the legitimacy, accountability and power of self governance in the boule using sources such as Bernard Manin, Josiah Ober, Helene Landemore and Mogens Herman Hansen. To this end I would like to edit existing text and add additional citations but also subdivide the section on Cleisthenes' boule into shorter sub-sections to be elaborated on. I might also expand a bit on the introduction paragraph and add a few illustrations to the article. Let me know what you think! Gostislav (talk) 22:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article needs to also discuss the African American Boule ...

What's that? Bastie 10:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

-Don't know about the "African American Boule," but I know the African Boule is a community that lives on the Ivory Coast in West Africa.--Rowah 22:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there is such a thing as an African-American Boule, it should be a separate article and listed in the disambig. page. Jim 17:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old Comments

Created a disambiguation page out of the old Boule page and started some substantial edits.Jim 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Material moved from Council of Five Hundred

I don't have the knowledge to know quite what to do with this material with merge potential, so I'm placing it here for someone else to resolve. It was in Council of Five Hundred, which is about the French Consulate. - Jmabel | Talk 02:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An earlier Council of 500 existed in ancient Athens. This council was created by Cleisthenes around 500 BC, for preparing legislation in Athens' first attempts at democracy (though a similar council of 400 was said to have been formed by Solon). All adult male citizens of Athens were eligible to be on the Council of 500; members were chosen by lot and replaced every year. (from Pericles of Athens and the Birth of Democracy, by Donald Kagan) It was like the 5 Ephors of Sparta. It was designed to give everyone a political experience and participation. This all depended on who you are. If you were from neighboring areas, you were not granted full citizenship. This council was a result of social engieering. There were clan groups of extended family in Athens that were linked to different regions. Some were wealthier and smarter than others. Cleisthenes created 10 new tribes. Each tribe was then subdivided into deams. Each tribe had to put forth 50 full-citizen males to serve on the coucil. After their year was up, the same people couldn't be chosen for another 10 years.

This appears to describe the Athenian boule, but I wouldn't do much with it. It either covers material already in the article, makes tendentious and unsourced statements, and does not have neutral POV. Just leave it alone is my suggestion. Jim 17:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

etymology

"boulê" is connected with the verb "bouleuô", meaning "I deliberate". Pamour (talk) 14:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC) king butt rocks dude[reply]

Maybe there is possibility for slavic root of this word. In greek language βουλή you can read as "bouli (b-o-u-l-e-e)" or "vouli (V-o-u-l-e-e)" because greeks don't have different letters for "v" and "b" letter "β" is for both .The second one vouli its too similar to word "voulia - volija-volja "(волја/воља/воля)-that means will like free will, peoples will .From there "Βουλή των Ελλήνων" can be translated as "Will of the Greeks" or "Hellenic Will" 89.205.63.108 (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Boule as a 'locus'

The text in The Boule in the Democracy of the late Fifth Century says: "The boule was considered the cornerstone of the democratic constitution, providing a locus for day to day activities and holding together the many disparate administrative functions of the government." Should 'locus' be 'focus'? The boule was a group of people not a place. Myrvin (talk) 09:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Were Thetes ever officially allowed to serve in Boule?

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fifth-century_Athens#Overview says that "One of (Pericles's) most popular reforms was to allow thetes (Athenians without wealth) to occupy public office," implying that thetes could officially serve in the Boule. However, under | The_Reforms_of_Cleisthenes, this page says the restriction that thetes could not serve in the Boule was never "officially changed" but "fell out of practice". Which is it? I've also asked this on https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Fifth-century_Athens Bayle Shanks (talk) 19:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 8 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 18:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boule (ancient Greece) → Boulé (ancient Greece) – Appears proper spelling to reflect Greek Pronounciation is Boulé see https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Boul%C4%93 for example.Naraht (talk) 18:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. First, that is the wrong diacritic (it is not an acute accent, but a long macron); Second, Boule (without diacritic) is how the name is normally spelled in English, per WP:COMMONNAME. Walrasiad (talk) 19:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The correct spelling with a diacritics is "boulē", not "boulé". "Boulē" does have some use in reliable sources such as Oxford Reference. AusLondonder (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the same reasons as Walrasiad, but noting that macrons aren't accent marks—they're used in dictionaries and grammars to indicate pronunciation, but not used in normal text. P Aculeius (talk) 12:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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