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A fact from Bernlef appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that according to tradition Saint Ludger healed the Frisian bard Bernlef of his blindness (pictured) and taught him to play psalms on his harp?

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen talk 13:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saint Ludger heals Bernlef

... that the Frisian bard Bernlef (pictured) has been suggested as a possible author of the Old Saxon religious poem, the Heliand?

Source: University of Groningen, in English

ALT1: ... that according to tradition, Saint Ludger healed the Frisian bard Bernlef of his blindness (pictured) and taught him to play the Psalms on his harp? Source: Moll, p. 180 (in Dutch)
ALT2: ... that when Saint Ludger was forced to leave Frisia, he had Bernlef (pictured), the local bard, baptize infants in his place before they died? Source: Moll, p. 180, 418 (in Dutch)
ALT3: ... that when he was lying on his deathbed, the Frisian bard Bernlef (pictured) comforted his wife by saying he prayed that they would not be separated long and she died just fifteen days later? Source: Moll, p. 180 (in Dutch)
ALT4: ... that according to one account, the blind Frisian bard Bernlef (pictured) was healed after he doubted Saint Ludger, saying: "If your God is so powerful, show me a sign"? Source: Ludger and Bernlef (in Dutch)
ALT5: ... that the Frisian bard Bernlef (pictured) had eighteen children, only two of whom survived, but both were confirmed by a saint? Source: Moll, p. 180 (in Dutch)
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Band of Angels (novel)

Created by ThaesOfereode (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting biography about a subject about whom little is known, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF. Of the hooks, I like ALT1, because it relates to the image. The image caption can then be shortened, and pictured might come after blindness, because the whole scene is pictured. The image is licensed and illustrates the scene well, but is not ideal in that small size. - I am not sure about Psalms vs. psalms, because afaik it's Psalm 84 when a particular one is meant but otherwise it seems a general term like hymns. This goes also for the article. The sentence with "some debate" has to many some for my taste. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the quick review and kind words. I agree that if the image is used, ALT1 makes the most sense; I've changed the caption to simply the English translation of the painting's title and moved "(pictured)" in the hook. I think "Psalm" should be capitalized because it was my understanding that he played the Psalms on the harp, not just Christian hymns, because that was sort of a bardic/skálic tradition to tell stories that way, but it's possible I'm misinterpreting. Sentence with "some" has been fixed; thanks for pointing it out. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for explaining. I think I wasn't clear about Psalms. I'd write "He sang psalms." the same way as I'd write "He sang hymns." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, my fault. I have no idea what, if anything, the MOS dictates for that, but I'm happy to leave it to the promoter to decide what's best. ThaesOfereode (talk) 17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nederlands

in the 3rd paragraph of the 'Biography' section 'Nederland' is translated as ' Nederlands'. shouldn't that be 'Netherlands'? Potholehotline (talk) 00:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, good catch! I've fixed it. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]